them, when he had some well-digested plan, or specific resolution, to take their opinion upon. Sir Watkin observed, he could not agree in the definition given by an hon. gentleman of civil liberty, which, in sir Watkin's opinion, was more or less perfect in proportion to the share the people had in the government. In his opinion, civil liberty could not exist without political liberty. It appeared to him to be a solecism in politics, that the representation should continue, when the objects of representation had ceased, and were no longer in existence, which was the case of the hon. gentleman who opposed the motion.

London and Westminster, was computed to consist of an eighth part of the people of this island, and paid one-fifth to the land-tax, and a full third to all other taxes, and yet had but eight members, of which he had the honour to be one. Their property was disposed of by persons who bore no share of the burthen. The present electors (not to mention those who ought to have a share in the election of their representatives) consisted of a greater number than returns a majority of that House. A right hon. gentleman had said, he should oppose the motion, because the people were to be consulted. Such an argument coming from one of their representatives, he could not help expressing his surprize at; and particularly as it so materially concerned the regulations of their representation in that House. An hon. gentleman had said, he should oppose the motion, because he should wish to consult his constituents. The motion went only to the appointment of a committee, who were to digest some specific resolutions, or plans, which were intended to be published, and not agreed on till the hon. gentleman would have an opportunity of consulting his constituents; and he appealed to the hon. gentleman if it would not be better to advise, and consult with

Mr. W. Pitt concluded the debate with a most animated and eloquent speech, in which he reviewed all the objections that had been thrown out to his motion.

The question being put, that the order of the day be now read, the House divided: