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adding the words "and that the Daily Chronicle be discontinued after the 14th instant."
Mr. Bell stated, that a report had been prepared by the committee on this subject, and would be made as soon as this question was disposed of.
Mr. Fuller thought it would be more properly in place, if it were made now.
Mr. INGERSOLL expressed a hope that the gentleman from Fayette would withdraw his proposition, as it would compel him (Mr. I.) to vote in favor of the ameniled resolution.
Mr. Fuller withdrew his motion to amend.
The question was then taken on the adoption of the resolution, and decided in the affirmative, as follows:
YEAS-Messrs. Agnew, Ayres, Baldwin, Banks, Barclay, Barndollar, Barnitz, Bayne, Bedford, Bell, Biddle, Bonham, Brown, of Lancaster, Brown, of Northampton, Brown, of Philadelphia, Butler, Carey, Chambers, Chandler, of Chester, Chandler, of Philadelphia, Chauncey, Clapp, Clarke, of Beaver, Clark of Dauphin, Clarke, of Indiana, Cline, Cochran, Cope, Craig, Crain, Crawford, Crum, Cuminin, Cunningham, Curll, Darlington, Dariah, Denny, Dickey, Dickerson, Dillinger, Donnell, Doran, Dunlop, Earle, Farrelly, Fleming, Forward, Fiy, Fuller, Gamble, Gearhart, Gilmore. Grenell, Harris, Has. tings, Hayburst, Yelffenstein, Henderson, of Dauphin, Hiester, High, Hopkinson, Houpt, Hyde, Jenks, Kennedy, Kerr, Konigmacher, Krebs, Long, M'Clay, Magee, M'Cahen, M'Call, M’Dowell, M'Sherry, Meredith, Merrill, Merkel, Miller, Montgomery, Nevin, Overfield, Pennypacker, Pollock, Porter, of Lancaster, Porter, of Northampton, Purvi. ance, Reigart, Read, Ritter, Rogers, Russell, Sieger, Scott, Sellers, Serrill, Scheetz, Shellito, Sill, Smyth, Snively, Sierigere, Stevens, Stickel, Swetland, Taggart, Thomas, Todd, Weaver, Weidman, White, Woodward, Young, Sergeant, President-115.
Mr. Porter from Northampton, from the select committee to whom was resered the subject of the curtailment of the expenses of the Convention, made the following report, which was laid on the table.
The committee appointed to inquire into the expediency of making arrangements for discontinuing the Daily Chronicle and Convention Journal, and to inquire what other expenses (if any) of the Convention ought to be curtailed, and to whom was also refered the resolution offered yesterday, on the subject of dispensing with the Stenographers, the assistant Doorkeepers, and the Sergeant-at-arms, at the next session of this body, repoit :
That they have had the subject under consideration ; that they necessarily divide themselves into two heads.
First-An inquiry into whether there is any needless expense incured by this body for contingencies, or in payment of unnecessary officers, and
SECONDLY-Whether any such expense is incured in relation to taking down the debates, and the printing of this body.
As to the first of these, it appears that this body elected or appointed, by resolution, shortly after the commencement of its labors, two Secretaries and two assistant Secretaries, a Sergeant-at-arms and assistant Sergeant-at-arms, a Door-keeper and assistant Door-keeper. That subsequently, the Secretaries employed two additional clerks to aid them in their labors, and who were discharged after the hurry of the business, which had required their employment, had passed. That the Door-keeper euployed four assistants and two boys, as messengers. The former of
these were found necessary, and were kept in constant employment in the folding of documents and journals, &c., and in attending to other necessary labors in and about the Convention. The two boys employed as messengers have been found necessary in the Hall during the sessions of this body, and could not well have been dispensed with.
The labors of so many officers may not, however, as the deliberations of this body progress, be found necessary, and the committee recommend that the furiher services of the assistant Secretaries, the Sergeant-at-arms, assistant Sergeant-at-arms, Doorkeeper, assistant Doorkeeper and Messengers, be dispensed with, from and after the 14th instant, and that this body will, on re-assembling, determine whether and, any if any, which of these officers shall be required.
As to the second branch of inquiry, the expenses of taking down the debates and the printing generally, but more particularly the expense of printing and distributing the Daily Chronicle.
The Legislature felt the necessity of having an accurate report of the debates of this body, and they ordered the employment of a competent Stenographer for the purpose. This necessarily embraced the employ. ment of such assistants to the person so employed, as would enable him to take down and write out the debates for publication, within a reasonable time. The wisdom of the Legislature, in making provision for a report of the debates, is manifest from the avidity with which works of this kind are sought after, by all who are desirous of informing themselves in relation to constitutional law, and the loss and difficulty under which this body and their constituents labor, for want of the views and feelings of the members of the Convention of 1790: a correct register of the debates of that body, if they could be had, would tend much to enlighten and inform the members of this body. For of the great and good men who were then assembled, but three yet survive James Ross, ALBERT GALLATIN and Thomas Bull; and of the doings of that body, no record remains, save their Journals and she fleeting reminisences of the few surviving members, and of the few citizens who may have witnessed their proceedings, and are yet on the stage of action. The great object in having the debates taken and published, is to have the views of the members reported with accuracy. There are few men capable of doing this, and consequently, when found, they require and ought to receive a fair and full compensation for their labors. The gentleman in charge of the reporting, has a known and established character for capacity in the line of his profession; and the committee are of opinion, that under the provisions of the act of Assembly, authorizing the assembling of this body, his services could not, and if they could, ought not to be dispensed with.
The next branch of inquiry, in relation to this subject, is the subscription to the Daily Chronicle, and the distribution thereof. The subscription was made under the the followiug resolution of this body, passed on the 11th day of May last: “ Resolved, That the Secretaries be directed to pay, as part of the expenses of this Convention the cost of two thou. sand seven hundred copies of the Daily Chronicle and Convention Jour. nal, in the English language, and one thousand copies in the German language, to be furnished during the sitting of this body, and to be divi
the members, for disiritution among their constituents." In pursuance of this resolution, the committee agreed with the publisher
of that work, for two thousand seven hundred copies in English, to be furnished daily, at seventy-five cents per menili, and for one thousand in German, to be published daily, at one dollar per copy per month. Thus far, the editor has published a sheet daily, containing nothing but the proceedings of this body, and the observations of the men:bers on ile various subjects under discussion. There has bein published, most generally, abstracis of the debates, rather than full reports, and such was interded io be the course when the subscription was made. The work is about as accurate as works of the kind usually are.
The publisher of the paper states, that relying on the faith of this body, he has gone to considerable expense, in order to comply with the contract on his part, and having done so, is unwilling to forego the advantage which he may derive from its continuance. Ought this body 10 put an end to this contract? Morally, we have no right to do so, without the assent of the other contracting party, unless such party has, hy his own act, authorized its rescision; for, it contracts bind individuals, and ihey are compelled by law to comply with them, it would be out of all character for the body convened to esiablish the fundamental law of the land, to assume an arbitrary power of violating a solemn contract with an india vidual. It mighi be, that the individual could have no legal redress, and that would only point out the greater grossness of the act. The efect of such an example on the community, could scarcely le anticipated; and not wishing to entail on this body, a character for worse thav Punic faith, your committee are not willing io recommend any such course, more especially as the public money is well laid out in relation to this si bject. It enables the delegates to keep their constiwents, day ly day, apprized of all our doings : it tends to coli hien, inform and instruct the good people of this great and growing Commonwealth, in the prir.ciples of Constitutional law: it calls their attention to the principles of Ciovernmentand will enable them, at the close of our labors, to come to a correct conclusion as to the result of our deliberations, so as 10 vote intelligently and understandingly on the question of adopting or rejecting the amendments we may propose. It is, in fact, day by day, rendering to ihose wlio sent us hither, an account of the manner in which we have executed the trust committed 10 our charge. Your committee cannot conceive that any reasonable amount of expense would be ico great for such a purpose, cr that money can be well mispent, which tends to disseminate accurate information among the public, in relation to the great and important principles on which the government of our country depends. Believing, as they do, that the people have a right to be kept well advised of all that is done, and that as ihe subscription has been made, and the expense incured, solely for the benefit of the public, and not for the benefit of ihe individual members of this body, and as all information received, shows that the intelligence thus comniunicate:l, is sought for with avidity, your committee would not recommend a discontinuance of the subscription, even liad they the power to do so.
Should the reporters for this paper and the editor, however, prostitute it to party purposes, or make it the vehicle for partial represenlations of the doings of this body, it would be our right and our duty at once to discontinue it; for it was only taken upon the express condition, that equal and exact justice should be done 10 the views of all the members.
The committee recommend the adoption of the following resolutions :
Resulved, That the services of the assistant Secretaries, Sergeant-at-arms, Deo keeper, assistanı Sergeant-at-a ms, assistant Doorkeeper and Messengers, be dispensed with after the fi urteenth instant.
Resolved, That the committee be discharged from the further consideration of the other subjects refered to them.
Mr. Fry, froin the minority of the committee to whom was refered the subject of the curtailment of the expenses of the Convention, made the following report, which was laid on the table :
'The minoriiy of the committee to which was refered the resolution of the sixth instant, requiring them to inquire into the expediency of discontinuing the Daily Chronicle, and also u bat other expenses ought to be cure tailed, report:
That they have had the subject under consideration, and recommend the following resolutions for the adoption of the Convention :
Resol-sd, That the Daily Chronicle be discortinue l after the p 'esent session.
Resolred, That The Secretaries be directed to request the different printers to whom six months sul scription has been paid for iheir papers, that iney be di continued until the 17th of 0 tolter.
Resolved, That the two assistant Secretarics hi discharged.
Resolved, Thut the Sergeant-at-arms und Doorkcepers and their es: istants be discharged. Resolved, That the two boys employed as carriers or runrers he discharged.
JOSEPH FRY, Jr. On motion of Mr. BELL,
The Convention proceeded to the second reading and consideration of the resolution reported by the committee appointed to ascertain and report the most eligible place for the meeting of the Convention, and this morning laid on the table.
Mr. Brown, of Philadelphia, would merely state, that he did not attend the meeting of the committee, and consequently, he had not agreed to this resort.
Mr. Bell called for the second reading, and consideration of the report; which was agreed to.
Mr. Clark, of Dauphin, then moved to strike out all after the word resolved, and insert the following:
“ That this Convention will re-assemble in the State Capitol, on the sixteenth day of October next."
Mr. STEVENS then moved to amend the amendment, so as to res ind that part of the resolution of the 7th instant, which directs that the Convention shall re-assamble on the 16th of October, and to provide that the Convention shall meet on the 121h day of April next.
Mr. STERIGERE rose, 10 make an inquiry of the Chairman of the ormmittee. He wished to know whether ihe communications of the Commissioners of Dauphin coumy, and the authorities of Philadelphia, had been corsidered by the commiitee, ketoie vhey made iheir resort.
Mr. Bell said, that it having been deemed advisable by the committee to make as early a resort as possible, they had met, and entered into 3 correspordence with persons in Philadelpliia, and other places, as to the acccmmcdations which were 10 be obtained, and yesterday ihe comminee directed him 10 make repori 10 the Convention. They had given the inalter due examination, and had taken into consideration all the informauon,
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which they could obtain ; but, they had not had the communication refered to, before them, because, they were not, until this morning, laid before the Convention. They, however, had all the information contained in these communications, before then, unofficially.
Mr. STERIGERE said, it was due to the Convention, that its order should be taken into consideration. The communications of the authorities of Harrisburg, and Dauphin county, and the city of Philadelphia, had been refered to a committee, and it was due to the Convention, that these communications should be taken into consideration by this committee. He therefore moved, that the consideration of this subject be postponed until to-morrow, so that the committee might have the opportunity of examining and reporting upon these communications
Mr. Read hoped, that this motion to postpone, might be agreed to, for two reasons. In the first place, the com'nittee which has just reported, has had two or three com nunications refered to them, which they have not yet considere I, as the co nimittee conld not sit during the session of the Convention. It ought, ther-fore, to be postponed, for the purpose of giving them the opportunity of considering this question in full. In the second place, he hope this subject would be postponed, so that we might reach, and dispose of the section of the sixth article, which relates to the subject of Justic23 of the Peace. We ought not 10 separate, an I leave that section in the unfinished state, in which it is now. If we should proceed to consider that subject inninediately on its being reach'd, he would modify the section, so as to embrace three, and only three principles, abo:it which he thought there was no differe!ico of opinion here. Two of those principles have been fully debite:), and in regard to the third, he did not believe there would be any difference of opinion in the Convention. He would modify it, so as in the first place, to provide for the election of Justices of the Peace; in the second place, that they should hold t'ieir o:lices for the terın of five years; and in the third place, that they should be elect? I at the spring election for Consta' les ; leaving out all the other perplexed q:estions, so that if it be reached, we may dispose of it in half an hour, and give the p:ople an opportunity of knowing what we intend to do in relation to this subject. If this was once e::ctel, he should ask for no further consideration of the report of the com nittee, upon the sixth article of the Consitution, so as to allow tiine for the consideration of the reporis and resolutions, which we have yet to dispose of, before we a:ljourn. He hoped, therelore, that the subject mighi now be postpo:2), because. if we proceedled in its consideration, he was of opinion that the amendment subinited by the gentle:nan, from Ada ns, would lead to a protracted debate.
Mr. R. then called for the yeas and nays on the question of postponement, which were ordered.
Mr. Dunlop did not consider the reasons urged by the gentleman from S.18.puzhinni, as very strong or citent reasons for postponing this question. So far as regarls t'ie amenline it of the gentlem in froin Alims, the gentlemin says, it will introlice a protractel de'ate. Th'n, if this was the case, we o:ght 10 g) at it immediately; because, there will not be time to settle it, if we do not proceed with it now. This question, whether we will meet in the fall, or the spring, was a very important question, and if we put it off, and take up this other matter, in relation to Justices of