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notice, made a motion' respecting Irish was capable of effecting so desirable an Hospitals and Asylums for Lunatics, &c. object. He hoped, however, that the right but after some conversation ou tlie subject hon. gent. would see the propriety of albetween Mr. Alexander, Dr. Duigenan, lowing private bauks to issue small notes, Mr. Bastard, Mr. Ruse, and lord Temple, on a plan similar to that recognized by parthe hou, baronet withdrew the inotion for liament in England. Private banks in this the present.--The Neutral and Foreign country had leave to issue small notes unShips bills, the Customs Duty bill, and the der 5!.; he trusted, therefore, that the Excise Duty bill, were read a second time. same indulgence would be granted to banks Mr. Johnson, from the secretary of state’s of the same description in Ireland, not for office in Ireland, presented an account of the benefit of the banks, but for the acthe sums due by tice commissioners of the cominodation of the public. navy, on account of sums advanced by Mr. Foster replied, that the policy of collectors in Ireland for seamen's wages, granting such a privilege to private banks, up to the 5th of Jan. 1805. Ordered to as that suggested by the hon. gent. relie ou the table.-Mr. Rose brought in the quired serious consideration; it would be United States' Commercial Treaty bill, competent, however, to the hon. gent. to and the Spanish Merchandize bill; which bring forward the subject at some future were read a first time.-Sir H. Dalrymple period; he should not then trouble the presented a Petition from the Inhabitants of house with any further observations, but Androssan, in the County of Ayre, against confine himself to the object and substance the Coru bill. Ordered to lie on the table. of the bill for which he had the honor of -Mr. Calcraft presented a petition from moving. the inbabitants of the parish of St. Pancras. Mr. Magens said, that as the right bon. against the Poor Bill, which was ordered to gent. had mentioned an intention of the lie on the table till ihe second reading of bank of Ireland to issue silver tokens, to the bill, when counsel should be heard in relieve the necessity of silver notes, hu support of the petition.–The Secretary at would be glad to know the nature of War brought in a bill for augmenting the them. rates to be allowed innkeepers for non- Mr. Foster answered, that, in addition commissioned officers and privates who to the Spanish dollars now in circulation in shall be quartered on them; which was Ireland to a considerable amount, bauk read a first time.-Adjourned.
tokens of 10d, and 5d. each, in order to [IRISH SMALL Notes Bil...] Mr. Fos- answer Irish currency, would be issued.ter, conformably to the notice which he The motion was then read from the chair, gave on Monday last, moved for leave to and leave given to bring in the bill. bring in a bill to restrain the negotiation [lrisur Post Roads Bill.] Mr. Foster of promissory notes and Ireland Bills of also moved for leave to bring in a bill to Exchange under a limited sum in Ireland. amend an act, for the repair of post roads,
, The right hon. gent. observed, that he passed in the parliament of Ireland, in the should have moved for this bill long since, 32d of the king. The object of the amendbut that he had waited for a silver cur- ment was, that postmasters may be enarency, now coining, to supply the place of bled to send the nails by mail coaches, those small, or silver notes, as they were or otherwise, with greater safety and extermed. Every person in the least ac- pedition than could be done at present, quainted with the state of Ireland must from the badness of many of the public ackpowledge and lament the ill effects pro- roads, which, by the bill, should be reduced by the issue of notes under 51. in paired and altered, where the public conthat country : the object of the bill, there- venience and advantage made it necessary. fore, was to restrain the further issue of a Colonel Bugwell observed, that if the paper medium, which has inundated Ire- bill were not speedily passed, it must lie land, and injured it most materially in over till next year, because the money for Every respect.
the proposed i:nprovement was to be asMr. R. Martin said, he was inclined, at sessed by the grand juries at the assizes. kryt, to oppose the intended restriction, Mr. Foster said, he did not wish to preint he had since changed his opinion, and cipitate public business; but, at all events, now approved heartily of the measure. He that delay was necessary for accomplishing could not but congratulate the country in the object of the present ineasure. In the taring a chancellor of the exchequer who first place, surveyors must be sent to exaVOL. IV,
mine and measure the ground wherever | John Duke of Athol, on the Isle of Man improvement was to be made ; the returns Ordered.-Mr. Crevey rose to make his of the survejs would be, of course, a te- motion respecting the claims of the Duke dious work; hence it was obvious, that of Athol upon the Isle of Man. He obhurry would not answer the purpose on the served, that during the last administration, present occasion.--Leave was granted to an order had been made adverse to the bring in the bill.-The right hon. gent. claims of that peer, bearing date in Aug. likewise moved, for leave to bring in a bill 1802. He was desirous of knowing what to amend the Irish Spirit Licence bill, as gave rise to the sudden change of sentifar as it regarded distillers. The right hon. ment with regard to the claims of the noble gent. observed, that it might be necessary duke, and produced a contrary order in to inform the house, that the law in Ire- March last. He would therefore move, land did not allow more than four gallons " that an humble address be presented to of spirits to be carried from any distillery his majesty, praying that he would direct without a perinit; the consequence of that there be laid before the house, a copy which was, that Liverpool jars, coutaining of the order of council, of the 31st March a quantity somewhat smaller than the law last, in favour of the claims of John Duke specified, had been employed for the pur- of Athol.” Agreed to.-Col. Stanley moypose of taking advantage of the act." Ited for a copy of the memorial presented was not unusual to have. 20 or 30 men to the privy council by John Duke of running from one establishment with liquor Athol.- Mr. Curwen rose to move for sethus conveyed. The object of the bill veral additional papers relative to the which he meant to bring in was to remedy Duke of Athol, and wished for the prothis detriment to the revenue. Leave was duction of copies of all the papers of the granted.--Adjourned.
proceedings relative to the compensation,
granted at the time of the sale to Govern. HOUSE OF LORDS,
ment, in 1766. Mr. Rose observed, that Thursday, March 28.
ihe most regular way of proceeding would
have been for the hon. gent. to have given [MINUTES.] Counsel were farther heard previous notice of his motions. The on the Scotch Appeal, sir A. Cathcart, speaker having acquainted the hon, member bart. 1. the earl of Cassilis, namely, Mr. that this would have been more conformaClarke, in continuation, as second counsel ble to the rules observed by the house, for the appellant. The farther considera- Mr. Curwen named to-morrow.-Mr. tion of the case was postponed till tv-mor-Foster brought up the Irish Spirit Permit row.—The bills upon the table were for. Duty bill. and the Irish Small Note Rewarded in their several stages; among striction bill. Read a first time.--The Innimese the Aaditional Legacy Duty bill keeper Rates bill, the Spanish Trade Liwent through a committee, and was after-cence bill, and the American Treaty bill, wards reported.--Some private business were severally read a second time.-The was disposed of; after which the house ad- Alien Prize Ships bill, the American Goods journed till to-morrow.
bill, the Irish Customs and Excise Duty bills, and the Spanish Wine bill, went
through a committee. In the committee Thursday, March 28.
on the Spanish Wine bill a clause was in.
serted, for imposing the same duties on [MINUTES.] Col. Stanley presented a Spanish red wines as on French wines, on petition from the manufacturers, trades- the ground that the present cheapness of men, and the inhabitants of Manchester, Spanish red wines was the occasion of their praying for the repeal or amendment of being made use of to adulterate port. the Corn bill, passed last Sessions. Or- [BenGAL JUDICATURE Bill.] Lord dered to lie on the table.--Sir John New-Castlereagh pursuant to notice, moved for port brought up a bill for establishing a leave to bring in a bill to annend the act of provisionary Asylum for Lunatics in Ire. the 33d of the king, which prescribes the yde in land; which was read a first time -Mr. powers to be given to the India company Curwen inoved, that there be laid before in the appointment of a commander in ihe house copies of the opinion delivered chief of the forces in India, and regulates by the Attorney and Solicitor-General be- the duties of the governor general in 'coun. tore the Privy-Council, upon the claims of|cil at Bengal. In making this motion,
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however, he must inform the house, that|tions: that lord Cornwallis, on his arrival it was not his intention either to make any in Bengal, which cannot be computed at material alteration in the forms or add less than six months from this period, will considerably to the expence of the esta- tind India still involved in var, and that blishment. But, in the event of an exalted be may be obliged to take the field in permilitary character taking the chief com- son. If that be well founded, it gives us mand of the forces in the field, he thought but a melancholy prospect of the state of that it would be of essential benefit to the our affairs iu that quarter. I do uot perservice, and would tend to the further se- ceive that the bill gives lord Cornwallis curity of our possessions in that quarter, any new or extraordinary powers; and, if if the person who was to have the chief di- it did, I should not be inclined to oppose rection and management of our armies in it, for two reasons; first, because I should the field should have an opportunity of think it not at all unlikely that the exigensitting in the council and giving his advice cy of the case might require such powers ; or communicating his information on mat- and then, because I know of no person ters that were intimately connected with among those who have acted in great statheir welfare. He should therefore pro- tions in my time, whom I should be more pose, that the commander in chief should ready to trust with great power, than my have a place in the council at Fort William. lord Cornwallis. Judging of him by all When that illustrious personage, that noble his public conduct, I am convinced that and gallant officer, the marquis Cornwallis, power may be safely trusted in his hands, was formerly in India, as the office of go- and that he will never use it but for the vernor general and that of commander in benefit of the public service. If my voice chief are both united, and as he was a could contribute to his honour, he should military man of great experience, and pos- have it without reserve, for the spirit that sessing the utmost ability, he had the di- prompts him to undertake such a task, as I rection of the councils and the management know it to be, and at such a time ; and if of the armies in the field at the same time, it were possible to give him support in the but for the latter duty he had no enolu- execution of it by any effort of mine, he ment, notwithstanding his bravery and might be sure of it. I am convinced that success are kuown so well to have deserved bis great object will be to compose the disthe utmost compensation. By his exploits, orders of India, and to restore peace and and from circumstances which have since tranquillity to the unfortunate inhabitants happened, our territories in the East have of that country. Leave was then given to considerably increased since the time of bring in the bill
, which was brought up that noble and gallant officer having first and read a first time. taken the field, and gentlemen need not [MILITIA ENLISTING BILL.] On the be told that the duties of the civil govt. of motion being put for the house resolving our possessions in the East must conse- itself into a committee of the whole house, quently have become more numerous, and on the Militia Enlisting bill, that it must require more time and a great- General Fitzpatrick said, it was his iner degree of attention to direct the civil tention to propose in the committee a affairs of the company in the East than it clause for limiting the time of the enlist. did at the distant period to which he ment of these volunteers. It was now 14 alluded. And, in the event of the person years since he first endeavoured to impress whom he had already mentioned going to the propriety of enlisting for the army for India, it would be of the utmost importance a term of years. The enlistment for life, that the council at Fort William should however, still continued, though he was hare his experience and ability added to convinced his proposition would be ultithat of which it is already possessed. He mately adopted, as the only certain mode therefore moved, that leave be given to of permanently recruiting the army. His amend the act which he had mentioned on plan was partially adopted in the volunintroducing the subject to the house. teering from the militia in 1799, in which
Mr. Françis then rose and said ; sir, 1 case the enlistment was for a definite term am not aware of any objection to the pro- of 5 years, and during the war. There visions of this bill, The cases stated, was no provision to that effect in the prethough I hope not likely to happen, oughi sent bill, and that was his principal reason to be provided for. The supposition can- for voting against it on the second read29t be made withouļ some painful reflec- ing. He would propose in the commilce a limitation similar to that of 1799, with understand. But, most certainly, he signthe exception of that part of it which re-led no resolution or resolutions whatever, stricted the service to Europe. The limi- and he cautioned gentlemen bow they went tation he meant to propose was, merely to meetings in future, the resolutions of fut the term of 5 years, without any limi- which might be inserted in the public tation of place.
journals, with their names, without their Mr. Ellison said, the bill was neither authorities. unconstitutional nor unjust : and if it was Mr, Franklund thought what might be tie motto of the constitution neither to the conduct of any gent. at a private meetbend or bow, yet as the militia was but ing immaterial in the discussion of this bill. one branch of the great tree of the consti- It was stated to be one of imperious netution, the militia might be constitutionally cessity; but if so, that necessity should inade both to bow and bend, to receive be prured, and then every objection, though alterations, not only without violating the even of a much stronger nature, would constitution, but so as at once to maintain give way before it.
He did not suppose it, to guard it from the incroachment of that it would abate the ardour of the real violations, and by extending the sphere militia officers in the defence of their counof its conservative power, to keep off the try, but some great necessity should be blights of time from the sacred body of shewn for the adoption of a measure, by the constitution. He would not admit which, without that, their feelings must that the bill would be a tax on the landed be wounded. Under the present circuminterest. The militia was originally, how-stances he must oppose it, as impolitic and ever, more a taxation on the landed interest unjust, although, if otherwise, he should than on any other. It was a wrong idea take pride in turning over to the regulars to suppose that the militia was raised for such men as appeared most likely to obtain its own defence merely; for what would most distinctions in the field of battle. He be our situation, if, on the call of danger, could not approve the policy of this change, the York or Lincoln militia were to refuse which could not give us an offensive force, to serve any where but in its own county? while the threatened danger of tlie country For these reasons, he thought the bill nei- required that the men should be kept at ther unconstitutional, unjust, vor oppres- home. He was indeed sure, that the whole sive. As to what was said of its being a force and talents of the country should breach of faith, it was not that, but a com- be concentered for its protection, but that, mutation. Still he admitted that nothing should always be done with a proper recould justify the measure but the neces- ference to our mild constitution. In the sity of the case. With respect to men's year 1799, there existed a great political feelings, he could only say, that he neither necessity, as we had then a gallant army, felt himself insulted or degraded by the critically circumstanced in an enemy's bill, and should say to his men, at the country, and for the purpose of rescuing head of his regiment, * Here, my lads, is and preserving that brave army, he should a better way of serving your country, and not oppose any practicable method, if such I know you will choose the better way.” could be found, of transporting not only He took notice of the remarks on the paper the militia, but the whole population of signed by the 32 militia officers, mentioned the country, for its relief. This plan, there-' on a former night, and said, that although fore, did not bring an accession of 17,000 he was present at the meeting of these men to our offensive force, but transferred officers, he had never understood that any them from one branch of defensive force resolution was passed, and had never sign- to another; and that in a manner calculated ed his name to any, although it did appear to produce dissatisfaction and disunion in at the published resolutions of that meeting the service. It should not be lust sight of,
Earl Temple said, that the hon. member that in its present state, the militia was a was certainly present at the meeting, and great defensive force, created by the parliaexpressed uo sort of dissent from the re-merit, and so formed, as to be a check against solutions.
any such iinprovident or ruinous enterprise, Mr. Ellison, in explanation, did not or expeditions of the ministers, if any such deny having been present, but as to the were meditated. To deprive the people of resolutions, there were, in fact, none pro- such a force, raised from themselves, and for. posed while he was present, or none which, their own defence, was as unjust as it was from the confusion and uproar, he could impolitic. Sych varying systems, from day
to day were inconsistent with the stable On the re-admission of strangers into maxims and principles of any country, and the gallery, rendered it impossible to depend upon any Mr. Giles was speaking on the necessity expectations which might afterwards becon- that there appeared to him to be of the ceived of them; whereas, by adhering to bill expressing more clearly whether the some steady and permanent military sys- Supplementary Militia bill was or was not tem, this country, considering the spirit repealed. The present measure was a that now actuated it, would be enabled partial repeal of the Additional Force act, to keep up an army of transcendent ex- which was itself a repeal of the act for cellence.
calling out the Supplementary Militia. General Tarleton thought it was rather The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, an inconsistency to call upon all the ta- the most regular way for the hon. gent. lents of the country to put the army on a to have proceeded, would be either to inproper footing, and at the same time to troduce any additional clauses he might deny that there was any necessity for the think necessary, or else to move an altepresent measure. In the third year of a ration in the preamble of the bill. He, war, like the present, of the most formi- however, had no hesitation in admiting, dable description ever known, it was rather that the act of the last sessi on had put an extraordinary to hear gentlemen speak end to the Suppleinentary Militia, and as if it were a mere guerre de pots de cham- that his majesty had not now the power bre, as an illustrious character had deno- of calling them out If the whole number minated one of the petty civil wars of that were now expected to volunteer should France. The effect of having a large dis- join the regulars, such an accession, toposeable force would be to change the gether with the ordinary recruiting, would nature of the war from defensive to of- make them unnecessary. On the reading fensive, to free the country from the ap- of the first clause of the bill, prehension of becoming itself the scene of Mr. Yorke felt it necessary to repeat the war, a calamity which every man who was observations he had thrown out on a for. acquainted with war and the scenes that mer evening. He wished that a proportion accompanied it, would wish to remove of those who should volunteer from the far from any place he had an affection for. militia, might be added to the royal marines, This measure, if it was disagreeable to and he did not wish that any of them the militia colonels, was brought upon should be allowed to volunteer for either them by themselves. If they had agreed the foot guards or the cavalry. The printo the interchange of the services of the ciple of the bill was to increase our disa. militia between the different kingdoms of posable army, and he could not consider the empire, the services of the English either the cavalry or the foot guards as militia in Ireland would have set free equally disposable with the regiments of 20,000 regular troops, hitherto locked up the line. lle allowed that the guards were in that country. The militia-men, as he a very fine body of men, but it had not bad convinced himself by a very close been the custom to employ them in coloinspection, were highly disciplined, and nial service, like the marching regiments; wanted but to be accustomed a little to besides, their number was now nearly the regular service, to make them as good complete. He also thought that a proporsoldiers as any in it.
tion of them would be well employed in Sir W. Elförd made a few observations, the royal artillery. He therefore moved in answer to what fell from the hon. gent. as an amendment to the clause, that, inwho spoke last but one. When a measure stead of the words “ his majesty's regular of this sort was originally proposed in forces,” should be inserted the following, 1779, ihe army had not gone to Holland. " the regiments of the line, royal artillery, A second application had been made to and marines,” parliament for relief to that army, and it The Chancellor of the Exchequer did not bad been granted. The hon. gent.'s ar. at all object to a proportion of the volungument then, so far as it depended upon teers going into the royal marines, but he ibe expedition to Holland, fell to the thought it would be better to leave a discrez ground. The house then divided on the tionary power in his majesty to settle wbat speaker's leaving the chair,
that proportion should be. He also agreed Ayes
with the right hon. gent. respecting the Noes
4.9 cavalry, and admitted that the power of Majority