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those advanced by his noble friend were, he something in the way of amendment, when, thought, well founded. It could not, how- being apprised of its being in some degree ever, be considered as a standing order. It informal, in that state of the proceeding, by was, to speak strictly, a remembrance; from one of their lordships, he sat down. The the time of its being enacted, which was in question was then put, and the house di1626, to the present, it hat, he believed, vided— For the motion, including 15 proxies, been but twice acted upon. This in some 29-Against it, including 8 proxies, 22degree shewed its inutility; its possible in- Majority for vacating the Order, 7.-Adjurious effects were obvious. He agreed journed. that questions must be ultimately decided by the house; but still the order or memento
HOUSE OF COMMONS. should not be suffered to stand, at least with
Tuesday, May 7. out some material alteration or amendment, [MINUTES.] - On the motion of Mr. as the very circumstance of resolving the Calcraft, a new writ was ordered to be is house into a committee through it, may be sued for the election of a representative to productive of mischievous consequences, as serve in parliament for the city of Coventry, therein the sense of a decided and great ma- in the room of Francis William Barlow, esq. jority of the house (proxies not being ad- deceased.--Mr. Foster gave notice that tomissible) may be counteracted.
morrow he would move for a committee to Lord Grenville was for retaining an order consider of the consumption of beer in Irefrom which no practical inconvenience had land, and of making an allowance to the reresulted since its adoption in the year 1626. tailers of spirits in the cities of Dublin, Cork, It appeared that it had only been enforced Waterford, and Limerick, for the losses three times; 1st, when an attempt was made which they may incur in consequence of the to deprive some members of that house of new regulations. He should also move for their seats by introducing a bill, requiring a committee to inquire into the Stamp Duties certain qualifications; 2dly, when it was Act for that part of the United Kingdom.thought fit to propose that certain words in- The Irish Post Road bill was committed, and troduced into a protest should be expunged; ordered to be reported tomorrow. The and, lastly, when certain questions were Irish Promissory Note bill, and the Irish moved to be submitted to the judges, in the Bank Tokens bill were reported, and ordercase of Mr. Justice Fox. In all these cases ed to be read a third time to-morrow.—The the enforcement of the order appeared to Irish Loan bill was read a third time, and his lordship highly proper,
passed.-The Paymaster General's Office Lord Harrowby argued generally in fa. Regulation bill was read a second time, and vour of the leading observations of the noble ordered to be referred to a committee on secretary of state. He was answered by Monday next.--Mr. George Ponsonby rose
The Earl of Radnor, who maintained a to make the motion, of which he gave nocontrary opinion.
tice yesterday, relative to the Country Road Lord Hawkesbury argued briefly against act. He said, by the present law, the grand the continuance of the order. His grounds jury at the spring assizes were empowered were the more prominent positions of his to make improvements, and the money is noble colleague.
to be raised at the summer assizes. But Earl Spencer, who was not inclined to there was no power in any one to retain any speak even once upon the present question, sum for particular purposes, so that if a road were it not for some points he heard ad- was made of bad materials, and grew bad, vanced that evening, observed, that the or- there was no sum at disposal to make it betder existed an interval, not greatly short of ter, but it must remain so till next year. 200 years, and no inconvenience had been one of the objects he had in view was, that proved to result from it With respect to the overseers or road makers should retain the appellation of " remembrance," such such a sum as might be deemed necessary to was the general head given to all the orders fill up such chasms as might be made in in the book, and he denied that it clashed roads. Another, that in several parts the with the order No. 19, as peers were usu- roads must be made with stones, and they ally suffered to speak in explanation of any who make the roads have not proper weapoint they had before advanced, which pons to break them. The jury should, could not be considered as speaking twice. therefore, provide those. He hoped the
The Lord Chancellor quitted the wool gentlemen from Ireland would not think him sack, and was apparently about to propose an enemy to the present system; on the cons
trary, he wished the grand jury to have tion of the Trinity House of Deptford Strond, more power if necessary. He concluded in each year during the last thirty years: with moving, “ that leave be given to for an account of the quantity of ballast taken bring in a bill to amend the laws now exist by the corporation of the Trinity House of ing relative to making roads in Ireland, pur. Deptford Strond, in their lighters, out of vessuant to presentiments of grand juries.” sels which have entered the port of London, Granted. A petition of the master, war- in each year, for the last thirty years, whedens, freemen and commonalty, of the mys- ther such vessels were parily laden, or in tery of vintners of the city of London, un- ballast."-On the motion of the Attorney der their common seal, being offered to be General, the house went into a committee presented to the house; the chancellor of the on the Stipendiary Curates bill, which after exchequer, by his majesty's command, ac- being reported, was recommitted for toquainted the house, that his majesty, having morrow.-On the motion of the Chancelbeen informed of the contents of the said lor of the Exchequer, the house went into a petition, recommended it to the consideration committee on the Property Duty bill. Preof the house. Then the said petition was viously to its commitment the chancellor of brought up, and read; taking notice of the the exchequer stated, that the clauses he bill to alter and amend an act, passed in the proposed to introduce into this bill were 40th year of his present majesty, for making merely of a verbal nature, or such as related wet docks, basons, cuts, and other works, to regulation only, and not such as would for the greater accommodation and security produce any alteration in the rates or quanof shipping, commerce, and revenue, within tum of the duty. A number of clauses were the port of London, and for extending the then severally read, and, after a good deal powers and provisions of the said act; and of conversation, agreed to. The report setting forth, that the petitioners apprehend was ordered to be received on Friday next. they may suffer loss or damage by reason of --Mr. Alexander brought up the report of the works mentioned in the said act, and the committee on the deficiencies of the submit that they are entitled to compensa- civil list, when the resolution granting to his tion in respect thereof; and therefore pray- majesty the sum of 10,4581. 1s. 6 d. for the ing, that provision may be made in the said purpose herein mentioned, was read and bill for that purpose. Ordered, That the agreed to. The committee on the Irish said petition be referred to the consideration Land Partition bill was postponed till to of a committee; and that they do examine morrow.-Mr. Loveden, on Monday, gave the matter thereof, and report the same, as notice of a motion to be brought on Thursit shall appear to them, to the house. And day the 16th inst. He said he did not apa committee was appointed accordingly; prehend it could occasion much discussion, and the said committee have power to send as it would be similar to what he had forfor persons, papers, and records. — Mr. merly proposed; for fresh lists of unpaid or Calcraft moved for the following papers, unclaimed dividends at the bank, &c.—but which were ordered ;—a copy of the grant he meant to push the enquiry further than or charter of her majesty queen Elizabeth, he had before done, and to call for an acto the corporation of the Trinity House of count of the suitors money locked up by Deptford Strond, dated 11th June, in the the court of chancery. 36th year of her reign : a copy of the grant [Irish ELECTION Bill.)-On the quesor charter of his late majesty king Charles II. tion that the Irish Election bill be read a to the corporation of the Trinity House of second time, Deptford Strond, dated 24th June, in the Colonel Bagwell said, he had no objec17th year of his reign: an account of the tion to the principles of the bill, and hoped, quantity of all the ballast on the river Thames, therefore, it would then be read a second which has been shipped from the several time. wharfs within the jurisdiction of the corpo- Mr. Lee said, that although he should acration of the Trinity House of Deptford cede to the second reading, he did not mean Strond, for the last 30 years, particularizing to exclude himself from objecting to some the quantity shipped in each year, and for particular parts of it. which the said corporation received one Mr. George Ponsonby said, that if the prinpenny per ton, and distinguishing the kind ciple of the bill was to ascertain accurately or quality of the ballast shipped: an account those persons who had a right to vote at elecof the quantity of ballast taken from the tions, and to make that right known to those bottom of the river Thames by the corpora- who were candidates, he approved of the
bill; but still there were many clauses to other branches of administration, and to inwhich he meant to object in the commit lict exemplary punishment on all who shall tee.
be found guilty of, or in any wise aiding, Mr. Richard Marlin objected to the bil abetting, or conniving at similar frauds and going into a committee. By one clause in depredations; and that the petitioners are it, any person has a right to enter a traverse thoroughly persuaded that it is needless for against the title of every 40s. freeholder, them to urge any fresh motive to the house and it would take fifteen years value of it t in order to induce them to adopt such meapay the expences of defending his right. sures; they rely upon the knowledge the Besides, t'e bill vilified the country; for 11 house have of their duties, and upon their says that all vice was attributable to the poor, sympathy and fellow feeling with their con: and all virtue to the rich; he therefore ob- siitnents, who, during a long, a difficult, and jected to it, on the ground of unseemliness. trying period of war, in times of severe He thought the election law of ti e two cour nardships and scarcity, have chearfully subtries should be assimilated as nearly as posmitted to the heaviest burthens; that what sible, and this subject should not be taken they granted liberally should be applied houp on such light and flippant grounds as i' nesily was the least the petitioners could had been. He thought a committee słould hope from men whose consciences and be appointed to take the matter into consibounden duty enjoined a faithful discharge deration.
of the great trust reposed in them. DisapColonel Bagwell said there was no duty pointed of this hope, and finding on the on freeholders, except on leases, and that contrary that a minister filling many great was necessary, in order to ascertain the and lucrative offices, bigh in the confidence right to the freehold.
of his sovereign, one of the foremost in his Sir John Newport thought he saw several pretended efforts to re!orm abuses, has been objections as to ihe traverse and other points, (at length himself detected in conniving for but these might be modified, altered, or a series of years at the foulest peculation : done away in the committee.
the petitioners now approach the house Earl Temple said a few words in favour of with their claims to protection and justice ; the bill going to a committee. After which and they trust, therefore, that in prosecuting the bill was read a second time, and ordered the inquiries necessary for these ends, the to be committed on Thursday.
house will proceed in that spirit of firmuess [PetitioN FROM BEDFORD RESPECT. and integrity which dictated the resolutions ING THE 101h NAVAL REPORT.] A pe- of the sth and 10th of April; and that they tition of several freeholders of the county of will not trust this great cause out of their Bedford, was presented to the house and own hands, nor again suffer themselves to read; setting forth, “that the petitioners be deceived by the plausible promises of unite with their constituents at large in men who openly violate the laws of the le. thanking the house for their resolutions of gislature, and hold in defiance and contempt the sth and 10th of April, founded on the the wholesome guards they enact against tenth report of the commissioners of naval the possible malversations of office; and that enquiry : by the first of those resolutions the the petitioners also trust that the example house vindicated the character of their coun- of the past will act upon the house as a try, hy censuring a minister proved to have warning for the future; that they will see been guilty of a gross violation of law, and and acknowledge the just value of those a flagrant breach of duty; by the second, principles on which our ancestors establishthe house laid before the sovereign the sense ed tie power and authority of the house of of his people, and enabled him, by a ready commons; that the house will feel their compliance with their wishes, to endear him otfice to be that of control over the servants self more than ever to their loyal and affec- of the crown; and that jealousy and vigitionate hearts; and the petitioners implore lance instead of confidence and compliance, the house steadily to persevere in detecting are their true and distinguishing characterall other abuses which are pointed at, as weil istics; to this system the petitioners humbly in the tenth as in the eleventh report of the hope that the house will direct their immés said cor missioners, attentively to investigate diate and unrarying attention, as the system all irregularities which may be brought to by which the country may best be defended, light by any of their succeeding reports, im and as the only one under which the conpartially, minuiely, and resolutely to exa- stitution can be safe." mine into the public expenditure in all the [PETITION FROM NORFOLK RESPECT ING The 10th Naval Report.-A. pe- tem of vigilance and jealousy in preference tition of the gentlemen, clergy, and freehold- to one of blind and implicit confidence in ers of the county of Norfolk, convened by ministers.” the high sheriff of the said county, at the [PETITION FROM SOUTHAMPTON REcastle of Norwich, in the shirehouse there, specTING The 10th NAVAL REPORT.) on Tuesday the 14th day of May 1805, was A petition of the inhabitants of the town presented to the house and read, setting and county of the town of Southampton was forth, “ that the petitioners beg leave to ex-presented to the house and read; setting press their gratitude to the house for the forth, “ that the petitioners would feel steps which they have already taken towards themselves criminaliy indifferent were they the detection and punishment of those ser- not to express their gratitude for the votes vants of the crown who have defied the laws, of the house on the 8th and 10th days of broken their trust, and applied enormous April last, which declared lord viscount sums of the public money to their own cor- Melville guilty of a gross violation of the rupt purposes of emolument and power ; law and a higii breach of duty, votes which and that in the name of a loyal and suffering have diffused joy and confidence throughpeople, the petitioners implore the house out every part of the united kingdom; and not to relax in their exertions; they intreat that, among the various irregularities and them to consider how patiently the petition- abuses which have been detected and exers have seen millions added to millions of posed by the commissioners of naval enthe national debt, the rapid advance in every quiry, none has created more jealousy and article of consunıption, their burthens in- alarin in the breasts of the petitioners than creasing, and their means of bearing them the application of monies, appropriated by diminishing, in the just hope that while en- the legislature for the uses of the navy, to gayed in extensive wars what they contri- other purposes, a practice replete with danbuted with cheerfulness would be a plied ger to the constitution and to the liberty of with fidelity, and as the law expressly di- ihis country; and that the detection of such rected; and that faithful to their first duties, malversations in one department of the state the house have recorded, by the resolutions induces apprehensions that others may not of the sth and 10th of April, that the peo be more faithfully and honestly administered; ple of England have been grossly wronged and the petitioners therefore think it their by lord Melville; and the petitioners zum-u v to implore the national representatives bly represent to the house, the necessity of that their intention, already manifested, of effectually protecting the nation against fu- instituting enquiries into every branch of ture depredations; and therefore praying the public expenditure, may be speedily carthe house, first, to investigate and sift tú the ried into effect, a measure calculated to bottom the remaining charges of abuse in compose the public mind, to confirm the the application of the public money, con- coufidence, and to secure the unanimity and tained in the tenth report of the commis- energy of the people.”-Ordered to lie upon sioners of naval enquiry: secondly, to exa- the table. mine minutely into the nature of those irre- [PETITION FROM NORTHUMBERLAND gularities brought to light in the eleventh re- RESPECTING THE 10Th Naval Report.] port of the said commissioners, and likewise - A petition of the gentlemen, clergy,
whatever may appear culpable or suspicious and freeholders of the county of Northumin any of their future reports: thirdly, to berland, held at Morpeth on the 24th of institute immediate and rigorous enquiries May 1805, was presented to the house, and into the expenditure of every other depart-read; setting forth, “ that the petitioners ment of executive government; and that in beg leave to congratulate the house on the performing these acts of necessary and ex- result of the discussions that have taken pected justice, the petitioners are persuaded place in the house respecting the gross that the house will take no other guides than peculation and misapplication of the public its own wisdom and resolution; and that, money, in open defiance of the law, that warned by the example of detected guilt
, have been detected by the commissioners and awake to the frauds which have been of naval enquiry; and they pray the practised upon their own facility, as well as house to persevere in that virtuous line of upon the public purse, the house will per conduct, which on that important occasion ceive the necessity of resorting to those prin- diffused such general satisfaction throughout ciples which prevailed in the better days of the country; and they intreat the house our constitution, and of acting upon a sys- not only to continue their enquiries into the
abuses in the department of the navy, but address the lords commissioners of the adto extend the same into every branch of miralty in vindication of their honour and the public expenditure, and to adopt a solid the proceedings of their board ; and being and permanent system of economy, well con- anxious to remove any impression which vinced that rigid frugality alone can enable may have been made in parliament to their this country to support the present enor- disadvantage by Mr. Tucker's letter and mous weight of public burthens, and sus- tition, they pray that the house will be tain the awful contest in which we are en- pleased to give directions that a copy of the
a gaged: and the petitioners implore the petitioners' two letters to the secretary of the house to punish guilt, however protected or admiralty of the 4th instant may be laid beexalted, and to rescue from peculation and fore the house." plunder a loyal people, who have ever Sir A. S. Hamond then moved, that copies willingly contributed to the real exigencies of the letters from the commissioners of the of the state, and who never complain but navy to the board of admiralty, of the 4th when their generous, temper is inposed instant, be laid on the table. upon, and thus will the commons of the Mr. Kinnaerd rose, not, he said, to oppose united kingdom confirm the confidence of the motion, but to call the attention of the the people, and instil into the hearts of all house to the time and manner in which it good men a warm and steady attachment to was brought forward by the hon. member. the British constitution."-Ordered to lie Six weeks had now elapsed since he (Mr. upon the table.
Kinnaird) had given notice of his intention [Petition FROM THE NAVY BOARD to bring forward a motion of enquiry reRESPECTING Mr. Tucker's Petition.) specting the conduct of an hon. officer (sir Sir d. S. Hamond presented a petition from Home Popham) on the ground of which the commissioners of the navy; the object motion he was certainly fortified, and very of which was, he said, to obtain from the considerably, by the letter alluded to. Durhouse permission for the navy board to ex- ing the whole of that time, the navy board culpate themselves from the charges made seemed to betray no anxiety for the chaagainst them, in a letter of Mr. Tucker, racter of that hon, officer; but now, on formerly a commissioner, addressed to the the very eve of the day fixed for bringing board of admiralty, on the 2+th of April : a forward the motion, the hon. member had copy of which letter had been ordered to come forward with a petition from the navy be laid before the house. The object of board, and without any previous notice had the commissioners in this petition was, to moved for the production of letters, writ. have laid before the house iwo letters, with ten but three days since, which, before the their inclosures, addressed by them to the house knew any thing of their contents, admiralty, on the 4th instant, which they were professedly calculated to overturn all deemed indispensable to the vindication of imputation upon the navy board, with retheir own honour, from the charges made in spect to the hon. officer. How was it that the letter first mentioned, and in which the navy board, who seemned so much alive they pledge themselves to refute the state- to injurious imputations, had not written ment made by Mr. Tucker.—The petition those letters of vindication sooner, or why was received, and is as follows: "A peti- was the production of them deferred to so tion of the there undersigned principal late a momert, as to render it almost imofficer's and commissioners of his majesiy's possible for them to be printed in time for navy was presented to the house, and read; the due consideration of members ? He setting forth that the petitioners have learnt hoped the house would be gratified with from the votes, that Benj. Tucker, esq. late a some explanation on this ground from the commissioner of his majesty's navy, did, on hon. member. He (Mr. Ř.) had given no the 25th of April, present a petition to the tice to bring forward his question to-morhouse, praying that copy of his letter to row, and by that notice it was his intention the secretary of the admiralty of the 24th strictly to have adhered; but he begged to of April might be called for, and which remind the house, that this was the very letter has been since laid before the house, first intimation received of any document inand printed; and that the petitioners deem- tended to be brought forward in contradicing Mr. Tucker's petition and letter of a tion to those documents already before the most libellous and slanderous nature against house, and upon which solely members were them, they have felt themselves bound to left to forin their opinions: he would there