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established by law, and interwoven to the Catholics ? The first sewith that monarchy, they were curity that was offered was the now prepared to abandon those Veto. Such a security existed in securities by which that govern- every Protestant state in Europe. ment was preserved and supported: And, was it not enough to excite It was to be recollected, also, that surprise, to find, in this Protestant the temporalities of the church of kingdom (for so it was designated Rome had been transferred to the in the bill of Rights), the Crown Protestant church ; and that, upon called upon to pay the professors the principles of human nature, of religion, in the appointment of those who professed the tenets of whom it was denied any influence ? the former, must view the latter But thus it was; and any attempt with jealousy, and consider it as an of the Protestants to legislate on usurping body. Without imputing the subject was termed bigotry. to the Roman Catholics any immoral The Veto was abandoned ; and, in feeling, under the circumstances in 1821, his right hon. friend prowhich

that religion stood in relation duced those securities, which he, no to our establishment, he undoubt- doubt, thought adequate on the one edly considered it unsafe to allow hand, and necessary on the other. them to legislate for us. In that On looking for those securities now, view, he could find no security in however, they were nowhere to be the assurances which the proposed found. They had been entirely oath demanded. What, he would done away with, and others subask, was the practice of the consti- stituted. T'he securities having thus tution under circumstances analo- grown gous ? When the legislature dis- “Small by degrees, and beautifully less," qualified revenue officers from vot- were now become so exceedingly ing for members of parliament- minute, that they could not well when it denied to the clergy the be reduced any further in size. capacity of sitting in that House They had sunk below zero, and it at once founded its disqualifica- had been almost too minute for tions on the undue influence by calculation. So insignificant were which it presumed, on the general they at present, that he implored principles of human nature, those his right hon. friend to leave them classes would be actuated. It le- out of the bill altogether. They gislated on that ground, and wholly were told, indeed, that the question disregarded all securities which of securities could be properly condeclarations, under such circum- sidered only in the committee. On stances, afforded. The recollections this point he would say, that if the of history teemed with illustrations great measure were once conceded, of the same principle. His right he would infinitely rather place hon. friend (Mr. Canning) had all its details upon a principle of always disclaimed any thing like generous confidence, than fetter negociation with the Catholics, and them with a jealous and ineffectual had said, he would legislate for system of restriction. To establish them, not treat with them. But, a permanent Catholic commission what had been the course pursued coming in contact with the Crown, during the last ten years ? What and for the purpose of advising the was the history of the securities Crown ; the Crown being notwiththat were to accompany the relief standing compelled to make appointments which it might think requested to present to their lordliable to great objection, was no ships the petition of the dean and satisfactory provision. But, for- canons of Windsor, praying that no sooth, there was to be a certificate further concessions should be made of loyalty. Now, every body knew to the Roman Catholics. He what loyalty meant in private con- considered it unnecessary, in bringversation ; but, what did it mean bying before their lordships the act of parliament ? He did not petition of so learned and respectknow what loyalty meant in a able a body, to assure them it was legal sense, except that the indi- worded so as to ensure its recepvidual, to whom the term was ap- tion; but before he moved that it plied, was never convicted of a crime should be read, he must be perin a court of justice. When Dr. mitted to say a few words. Doyle was asked, if, in his opinion, “ Sensible," said his royal highthe proposed provision for the Ca- ness, as he was, of his want of tholic clergy should be inalienable, habit and ability to take a part in he answered yes, while they com- their lordships' debates, it was not ported themselves loyally and peace without the greatest reluctance that ably as became subjects; and when he ventured to trespass upon their he was asked, whether by not com- time and attention; but he felt porting themselves loyally and in that there were occasions when obedience to the laws, he did not every man owed to his country and mean their being convicted by some to his station, to declare his sentilegal court of such conduct, he re- ments; and no opportunity could, plied in the affirmative. Now, in his opinion, offer, which required really, he could not conceive a more imperiously the frank avowal more painful duty, than for the of them than the present, when commission to certify to the Crown their lordships were called upon to the loyalty of those whom they re- make a total change in the fundacommended. It was a delusion mental principle of the constitution, also to suppose that such an ar- and, in his royal highness's view of rangement would diminish the the question, to strike at the very dangerous character of the corre- root of its existence. spondence of the Catholic prelates “ His royal highness observed, with the see of Rome. His right that twenty-eight years had elapsed hon. friend had observed, that that since this question had been first correspondence existed at present. agitated, under the most awful True; but how different would be circumstances, while this country its character when it became sanc- was engaged in a most arduous and tioned by act of parliament, instead expensive, though just and glorious of being carried on under the terror


that the agitation of it had of severe laws which might be been the cause of a most serious executed.

and alarming illness to an illustrious Between the second and the personage now no more, whose third reading of the bill, an event exalted character and virtues, and occurred, which had a very decided whose parental affection for his influence on the fate of the mea- people, would render his memory

On the 25th of April the ever dear to this country ; that it duke of York rose in the House of had also produced the temporary Lords, and stated that he had been retirement from his late majesty's


councils of one of the most able, brought under their consideration, enlightened, and most honest states its merits would be much more men of whom this country could ably discussed by others of their boast.

lordships. There were, however, “ Upon this question they were one or two points which appeared now called to decide; and from the to him to have been kept out of first moment of its agitation to the view in the different debates that present, his royal highness had not had occurred in various places, and for one instant hesitated, or felt a which seemed to him of such vital doubt, as to the propriety of the importance that he could not help line of conduct he had adopted in touching upon them. reference to it.

“ The first was, the situation in “ That he must also call their which the Church of England lordships' attention to the great would be placed should Catholic change of language and sentiments emancipation pass. If his royal which had taken place since the highness were mistaken, he would subject was first introduced, among doubtless be set right, but he had the advocates for Catholic emancis always understood that the Estabpation.

lished Church of England stood in “ That at first the most zeal- a very different situation from any ous of these had cautiously and yet other religious persuasion in the strenuously endeavoured to impress world—different even from that of upon the minds of the people, that the sectarians in this country. The Catholic emancipation ought not to Established Church was subject to be granted without establishing its own government, and did not strong and effectual barriers against admit the interference of the civil any encroachment on the Protestant authorities. It was placed under ascendancy. But how changed was the authority of the king as the now their language! Their lord- head of it, and under the control of ships were now required to sur- parliament, so much so, that the render every principle of the con- Church was not only not representstitution, and to deliver us up, ed as a body in the lower House of bound hand and foot, to the mercy parliament, but that no clergyman and generosity of the Roman Ca- was admitted to a seat in it. tholics, without any assurance even « Surely, their lordships could that they would be satisfied with not wish to place the Established such fearful concessions.

Church of England upon a worse “ His royal highness had, upon a footing than any other church former occasion, taken the liberty within these realms ; nor allow the of stating his sentiments fully upon Roman Catholics, who not only the subject, and had endeavoured refused to submit to our rules, but to convey to their lordships that no who denied any authority of the person was more decidedly inclined civil power over their church to to toleration than his late majesty, legislate forthe Established Church, but that it must be admitted there which must be the case if they was a great difference between should be admitted to seats in toleration, participation, and eman- either House of parliament. cipation. He would not now enter “ The other point to which his into this discussion, convinced as he royal highness had to advert was was that if the bill should again be one he felt to be of a more delicate nature. He must, therefore, begin the legislature could be valid, and by stating to their lordships that he could not relieve himself from he spoke only his own individual the obligation of an oath. sentiments, as he must not be sup- “ His royal highness feared that posed to utter in that House the he had already trespassed too long sentiments of any other person. He upon their lordships, and he thank was sensible that by what he was ed them for the patience with about to say, he should subject him- which they had heard him. If he self to the scoffs and jeers of some, had expressed himself too warmly, and to the animadversions of others; especially in the latter part of what but from speaking conscientiously he had said, he must appeal to his own feelings and sentiments he their liberality. He felt the subwould by no apprehension what. ject most forcibly, and it affected ever be appalled or deterred. him yet more deeply, when he re

“ That he wished to ask whether membered that to its agitation their lordships had considered the must be ascribed that severe illsituation in which they might place ness, and ten years of misery, the king, or whether they recole which had clouded the existence of lected the oath which his Majesty his illustrious and beloved father. had taken at the altar, to his people, He should therefore conclude with upon his coronation. He begged assuring their lordships that he to read the words of that oath :- had uttered his honest and con

“ I will, to the utmost of my scientious sentiments, founded upon power, maintain the laws of God, principles which he had imbibed the true profession of the Gospel, from his earliest youth; to the and the Protestant reformed reli- justice of which he had subscribed, gion established by law: and I after serious consideration, when will preserve unto the bishops and he attained more mature years; . clergy of this realm, and to the and that these were the principles churches committed to their charge, to which he would adhere, and all such rights and privileges as by which he would maintain and act law do or shall appertain to them, up to, to the latest moment of his or any of them.”

existence, whatever might be his “ Their lordships must remem- situation of life-So help him ber that ours was a Protestant king, God.” who knew no mental reservation, This declaration, coming from a and whose situation was different prince universally beloved and from any other person in this respected, and who was the heir country ; that his royal highness presumptive to the crown, could and every other individual in this not fail to make a deep impression country could be released from his both on the country and on parliaoath by the authority of parlia- ment. Its effect on one class of ment; but the king could not. politicians was strongly displayed, The oath, as he had always under- by an intemperate sally into which, stood, is a solemn obligation entered on the very next night, Mr. into by the person who took it, Brougham broke out in the House from which no act of his own could of Commons. It was not for him, release him ; but the king was the said he, in a debate on the proposed third part of the state, without alteration in the Elective franchise whose voluntary consent no act of in Ireland, to allude to what passed

in another House of parliament, which he owed to that House, to except as matter of history. He the illustrious personage alluded had, however, heard of passages to, and to that great cause in delivered in another place which which even now he did not cease gave him an alarm, not only for to think his hon. and learned friend good government, but for the safety sincerely interested, to prevent him of the constitution of this country, from continuing a course of oband for the stability of the mon- servations in his present heat of archy as by law established, and temper, which, he was satisfied, settled at the Revolution of 1688. he would in his calmer moments The passages to which he alluded regret. had given him so deep and serious The Speaker said, that if the alarm, that he protested before inference drawn by Mr. Plunkett God he could not believe his ears was correct if his anticipation of when the news was brought to what was coming from Mr. him that morning. It was impos- Brougham was right there could sible for him even now to believe be no question that the latter what was stated. The papers must gentleman would be out of order. be filled with libels that must be It was impossible for him to define false. For no man living could what was the order of the House believe that a prince of that House, more strictly than Mr. Plunkett which sat on the throne by virtue had done, on taking up the subject of the Revolution of 1688, should which had occasioned the present promulgate to the world, that, interruption; and it was his busihappen what would, when he

ness to expect, that he would not came to fill another situation, if depart from what he had himself all

laid down. Mr. Plunkett rose, amid loud Mr. Brougham then proceeded. cheering from some parts of the He doubted not that the right hon. House, and cries of order from and learned gentleman meant noother parts. As soon as silence thing but kindness to him, and also was restored, he said he rose to to the Catholic question. At the order. The reason he had not same time, it seemed to him, that, taken an earlier opportunity of after what had fallen from the calling Mr. Brougham to order, and chair, he was entitled to say that putting a stop to such a discussion the right hon. and learned gentlewas, that his hon. and learned man had proceeded somewhat prefriend, in alluding to what had maturely. He had interrupted passed on former occasions, in the him, before the proper period had early part of his speech, had de- arrived. No member had a right clared, that he would only allude to interrupt another, because he to such passages historically. When himself expected that that other he found, however, that his hon. member was going to be disorand learned friend was proceeding derly. Good God! was ever such to allude to what had recently pass

a thing heard of ?

In the parliaed in the other House of parlia- ment to which the right hon. and ment, and to designate the person learned gentleman formerly beto whom his observations applied, longed, such a course might ha in terms which could not be mis- been pursued; but it was the priunderstood, he felt it to be a duty vilege of a member of an English

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