"Then came the bishop's man, and said, 'The porter is gone to London' then said the bishop to Baget, Come with me,' and he went away with him, and commanded me away, and bade one of his gentlemen to talk with me (who was one of his own teaching) who desired, amongst other 10 things, to know of me, with whom I was acquainted in Essex, and what men they were, that were my teachers.

"Haukes. "When I see your commission I will make you answer.' -And then immediately came the bishop again: but ere he came, his man and I had much talk. Then the bishop sat down under a vine in his orchard, and called Baget to him, whom he carried away, and brought again; and called me also, and said to Baget: 'How say ye now, sir, unto baptism? Say whether it be to be frequented and used in the church, as it is now, or no?'

"Baget. Forsooth my lord, I say it is good.'

"Bonner. 'I befool your heart; could ye not have said so before? Ye have wounded this man's conscience.' Then the bishop turned to me and said, 'How say ye now, sir? This man is turned and converted.'

"Haukes. "I build my faith neither upon this man, neither upon you, but only upon Christ Jesus; who (as Paul saith) is the founder and author of all men's faith.'

"Bonner. I perceive ye are a stubborn fellow. I must be glad to work another way with you, to win you.'

"Haukes. "Whatsoever ye do, I am ready to suffer it: for I am in your hands to abide it.'

"Bonner. 'Well, ye are so; come on your ways; ye shall go in, and I will use you christianlike: you shall have meat and drink, such as I have in my house: but in any wise talk not.'

"Haukes. I purpose to talk nothing but the word of God and truth.'

"Bonner. 'I will have no heresy talked on in my house.'

"Haukes. "Why, is the truth become heresy ? God hath commanded that we should have none other talk in our houses, in our beds, at our meat, and by the way, but all truth.'

"Bonner. "If ye will have my favour, be ruled by my counsel.' Haukes. Then I trust you will grant me my request.' "Bonner. "What is that?'

"Haukes. "That your doctors and servants give me none occasion for if they do, I will surely utter my conscience.'

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"Then commanded he his men to take in Baget, and let not Haukes and him talk together. And so thus we departed, and went to dinner; and I dined at the steward's table. After dinner, his chaplains and his men began to talk with me. But amongst all others, there was one Darbishire, principal of Broadgates in Oxford, and the bishop's kinsman, who said to me, that I was too curious; 'for ye will have,' said he, 'nothing but your little pretty God's book.'

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"Haukes. And is it not sufficient for my salvation?' 'Yes,

10 "Amongst all other," ed. 1597.

said Darbishire, 'it is sufficient for our salvation, but not for our instruction.'

"Haukes. 'God send me the salvation and you the instruction.' And as we thus reasoned, came the bishop, who said unto me, ‘I gave you a commandment, that you should not talk.'

Haukes. And I desired you, that your doctors and servants should give me none occasion.' Then went we into his orchard again, he and his doctors and I."-vii. 99.

The Bishop then enquired, whether he would have any objection to have his child christened according to King Edward's book; and, on his stating that such was his desire, the Bishop endeavoured to convince him that the forms were the same as to what was essential. After this

he asked:-
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"Bonner. 'Will ye be content to tarry here, and your child shall be baptized, and you shall not know of it, so that you will agree to it?'

"Haukes. If I would so have done, I needed not to have come to you: for I had the same counsel given before.'

"Bonner. "You seem to be a lusty young man; you will not give your head for the washing; you will stand in the defence of it for the honour of your country. Do you think that the queen and I cannot command it to be done, in spite of your teeth?'

"Haukes. 'What the queen and you can do, I will not stand in it but ye get my consent never the sooner.'

"Bonner. Well, you are a stubborn young man: I perceive I must work another way with you.'

"Haukes. 'Ye are in the hands of God; and so am I.'

"Bonner. 'Whatsoever you think, I will not have you speak such words unto me.'-And so we departed until evensong time; and ere evensong was begun, my lord called for me to come to him into the chapel, and said; Haukes! thou art a proper young man, and God hath done his part unto thee; I would be glad to do thee good. Thou knowest that I am thy pastor, and one that should answer for thee. If I would not teach thee well, I should answer for thy soul.' "Haukes. "That I have said, I will stand to it, God willing: there is no way to remove it.'

"Bonner. Nay, nay, Haukes, thou shalt not be so wilful. Remember Christ bade two go into his vineyard: the one said would, and went not; the other said he would not, and went.'

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"Haukes. The last went.'

"Bonner. 'Do thou likewise, and I will talk friendly with thee.'" -Fox, vol. vii. p. 101.

After some talk on part of the sixth chapter of the gospel of St. John, which issued in the bishop's saying, "I trust that you be sound in the blessed sacrament," and Haukes's

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answering, "I beseech your lordship to feel my conscience no further than in that, that I was accused in unto you." To this Bonner answered :

"Bonner. 'Well, well! let us go unto evensong.'-With that I turned my back to go out of the chapel.

"Bonner. "Why, will you not tarry evensong?'

"Haukes. 'No, forsooth.'

"Bonner. "And why?'

"Haukes. For I will not.'

"Bonner. 'And why will ye not?'

"Haukes. For because I have no edifying thereby, for I understand no Latin.'

"Bonner. 'Why? you may pray by yourself. What books have ye?'

"Haukes. I have the New Testament, the books of Solomon, and the Psalter.'

"Bonner. 'Why, I pray you, tarry here, and pray you on your Psalter.'

"Haukes. 'I will not pray in this place, nor in any such.'

"Then said one of his chaplains, 'Let him go, my lord; and he shall be no partaker with us in our prayers.'

"Haukes. I think myself best at ease when I am furthest from you.'-And so the bishop went to evensong, and I came down and walked between the hall and the chapel in the court, and tarried there till evensong was done. And within an hour after that evensong was done, the bishop sent for me into his chamber where he lay himself; and when I came, there was he, and three of his chaplains."-Fox, vol. vii. p. 101.

A conversation then ensued on the sacrament; and, after a while, Haukes having spoken of the manner in which the sacrament of the Lord's Supper began, Bonner said,—

"Bonner. Alas, you know not how it began, neither of the institution thereof.'

"Haukes. Then I would be glad to learn.' "Bonner.

Marry, we will teach you: but you are so stubborn that ye will not learn.'

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Haukes. Except ye learn me by the word of God, I will never credit you, nor believe you:' and thus we concluded. Then the bishop and his chaplains laughed and said, 'Jesu, Jesu! what a stubbornness and arrogantness is this!' And this was in his chamber where he lay. Then said the bishop to me, 'Go down, and drink; for it is fasting day: it is Midsummer Even, but I think ye love neither fasting nor praying.'

"Haukes. 'I will never deny fasting, neither praying; so that it be done as it ought to be done, and without hypocrisy or vain glory.'

"Bonner. I like you the better for that :' and so we left for that night.

"The next day the bishop went to London: for Fecknam was

made dean that day, and I tarried still at Fulham. Then did the bishop's men desire me to come to mass, but I did utterly refuse it, answering them as I did their master. That night the bishop came home to Fulham again."-vii. 102.

There is one trait in Bonner's character which has been already brought before us, but which deserves a more specific notice. That he was a man of considerable talent, his being employed in public business so much as he was by those who so well knew how to choose their agents seems to prove that he was more than usually learned in ecclesiastical and civil law is admitted-and I know of no reason why we should suppose that he was not as well able as most of his brethren to defend the opinions which they maintained. But, as to the matter of fact, though he seems not to have avoided entering the lists as a theological polemic when it either fell naturally, or was forced, upon him, yet he appears always to have been anxious to get others to talk with his prisoners, under an idea that they might persuade and convince where he could not. This habit led the bishop very early on the Monday morning to introduce his prisoner to his chaplain, and gave rise to the "Talk between Harpsfield and Thomas Haukes," which will be found in Fox, and which the disappointed bishop at length put an end to.

"Then the bishop said to Harpsfield, 'Sir, ye see this man hath no need of our Lady, neither of any of the blessed saints. Well! I will trouble you no longer. I did call you, hoping that you should do some good on him; but it will not be.'-And he said to me, 'Sir, it is time to begin with you. We will rid you away, and then we shall have one heretic less.'

"Harpsfield. What books have you?'

"Haukes. The New Testament, Solomon's Books, and the Psalter.'

"Harpsfield. Will you read any other books?'

"Haukes. "Yea, if you will give me such books as I will require.' Harpsfield. What books will you require?'

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2 The reader will remember the article already referred to at p. 359, being the seventh of those ministered to Pygot, Knight, and Laurence, in which it was enquired whether they had not been instructed and informed as well by the bishop's ordinary and chaplains, as also by "divers other learned men, some whereof were bishops, some deans, and some archdeacons, and every one of them learned in divinity," &c.-Fox, vi. 738. Some other indications of this practice the reader may have gathered from this volume; and he may find enough proof of it in the Martyrology.

"Haukes. "Latimer's books, my lord of Canterbury's book, Bradford's Sermons, Ridley's books.' "Bonner. 'Away, away! He will have no books but such as maintain his heresies :'-and so they departed, for Harpsfield was booted to ride unto Oxford; and I went to the porter's lodge again."-Fox, vii. 104.

The next day Bird, who had been Bishop of Chester, being at Fulham, the same habit led Bonner to introduce his prisoner to him:

"The next day's Talk.

"The next day came hither an old bishop, who had a pearl in his eye; and he brought with him to my lord a dish of apples, and a bottle of wine. For he had lost his living, because he had a wife. Then the bishop called me again into the orchard, and said to the old bishop: 'this young man hath a child, and will not have it christened.'

"Haukes. "I deny not baptism.'

"Bonner. "Thou art a fool; thou canst not tell what thou wouldest have; '-and that he spake with much anger.

“Haukes. ‘A bishop must be blameless or faultless, sober, discreet, no chider, nor given to anger.'

"Bonner. "Thou judgest me to be angry: no, by my faith, am I not.'-and stroke himself upon the breast.

"Then said the old bishop, Alas, good young man! you must be taught by the church, and by your ancients; and do as your forefathers have done before you.'

"Bonner. 'No, no! he will have nothing but the Scriptures, and God wot, he doth not understand them. He will have no ceremonies in the church, no not one. What say you to holy water?'" &c.vii. 104.

After a good deal of further discourse, in which Haukes had declared that he would "believe no doctrine, but that which is wrought by miracles," and had referred to the signs promised to those that should believe, Bonner asked ;

"Bonner. With what new tongues do ye speak?'

"Haukes. Forsooth, whereas, before that I came to the knowledge of God's word I was a foul blasphemer, and filthy talker, since I came to the knowledge thereof, I have lauded God, praised God, and given thanks unto God even with the same tongue: and is not this a new tongue?'

"Bonner. 'How do you cast out devils?'

"Haukes. 'Christ did cast them out by his word; and he hath left the same word, that whosoever doth credit and believe it, shall cast out devils.'

"Bonner. 'Did you ever drink any deadly poison?'

"Haukes. "Yea, forsooth, that I have; for I have drunken of the pestilent traditions and ceremonies of the bishop of Rome.'

"Bonner. Now you shew yourself to be a right heretic.'