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conducted exclusively by the teachers of the University, said MEETING

that that was an accidental circumstance, and was not in

accordance with the system usually adopted. For the last OF THE

thirty years the University had one or two examiners in the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL.

arts course from Oxford, so that he could hardly understand

why a graduate of the University, being a candidate at the HELD AT THEIR HOUSE, OXFORD-STREET, W.

examination, should have shown such deficiencies as had been alluded to in the composition of his thesis.

Dr. Wood thought it a very remarkable thing that a SIXTH Day.—WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24.

university should confer the degree of M.A. upon a man who The Council resumed its sittings in committee on the Reports was ignorant of composition and spelling. This was neither of Examinations. The first that came up this morning for creditable to the University nor to the profession. He mainconsideration was that of Trinity College, Dublin.

tained, whatever had been said to the contrary, that the After some remarks on and explanations of the report, which medical examiners ought to reject any candidate who showed were mostly inaudible,

a deficiency of general education. When illiterate candidates Dr. STOKES said it gave him great pleasure to peruse the who had obtained arts degrees appeared at professional report of the visitors. The visitors had suggested that the examinations the examiners should ascertain who had been time devoted to the viva voce clinical examination was too the examiners in general education, and report the result of short, but he was of opinion that a judgment as to the mens their inquiry to the Council, who would then endeavour to medica of the candidate could be better arrived at by a written rectify the matter. description of a case than by answers to any number of oral Mr. TURNER said that a candidate could present himself a questions. He was further of opinion that the proposed exclu- second time for practical chemistry on condition that his sion of the professorial element from examining boards would papers in anatomy and physiology were considered good, and imply a want of confidence in the morality of the examiners. his paper work in chemistry fair. Under the circumstances,

Dr. STORRAR did not think it would be expedient to allow a however, this candidate, who was said to have made a very candidate to come up at various times for different parts of indifferent dissection, should not have been allowed a second his examination. This would rather favour a superficial know- chance. No thesis should, in his opinion, be accepted unless ledge, which could be obtained very easily by the system of it was creditable in a literary as well as a scientific point of cramming.

view. He could not agree with Sir Dominic Corrigan that the Dr. HALDANE, while expressing, as one of the visitors, his writing of a thesis was a sham. At Edinburgh a candidate great satisfaction with the oral clinical examination, was of was required to certify on his honour that his thesis was of his opinion that the time allowed for it was, without doubt, own composition, it being necessary that such thesis should be rather too short.

good in point of literary composition, and that it should conDr. AQUILLA SMITH thought that quite sufficient time was tain the results of the writer's own inquiries and observations. given, and remarked that the best papers were very often Dr. STORRAR said that to the University of Durham was written in the shortest time.

due the merit of introducing the system of practical examinaSir DOMINIC CORRIGAN was of opinion that if visitations tions at a very early period. It was really necessary that were continued it would be necessary to instruct the visitors there should be outside examiners. The University of as to the special matters to be inquired into. He had found, Durham had hitherto resisted the temptation of granting the on examining the reports, that there was no identity of pur- old-fashioned St. Andrews' degrees, which was something to pose in them, and no similarity of information. There was a its credit. regulation of Trinity College permitting any person to attend Dr. HUMPHRY said that the circumstance mentioned in the the medical lectures on payment of a fee of five shillings, and report, that the candidate who had made such a

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of this was a regulation to which he thought the visitors should his dissection had obtained ninety-three marks out of one have called attention; as also to the fact that a student was hundred for his paper on oratory, showed the importance of permitted to take a licence in medicine after four years study dissections. in medicine and two years' study in arts; and that on com- The PRESIDENT said that some fifteen years ago he visited pleting his arts course and taking a degree of M.D. he was the University of Durham, and a similar circumstance to that not subjected to a further examination in medicine.

mentioned by the visitors with regard to the examination in Mr. Quais believed that in other universities a medical arts then occurred; and on that occasion he used almost the degree might be taken without any degree in arts at all ; so same words as the visitors had done-namely, that it was that there was no transgression whatever on the part of Trinity hard upon the professional examiners that they should be College.

placed in the dilemma of passing persons who could not spell Dr. STORRAR said that at the London University a student or write English, and who ought never to have been granted was not compelled to take a B.A. degree before taking the an arts degree. An indelible impression was then made upon degree in medicine.

his mind, in consequence of which he was led in his address to Dr. HUYPHRY stated that the case was the same at Cam- remark upon the condition of the arts examinations. He bridge, but candidates had to pass an examination very similar thought that sooner or later it would be incumbent upon the to that required for the arts degree.

Council to consider whether these examinations came properly Dr. ROLLESTON said that at Oxford candidates were required up to their requirements. to go through the arts curriculum, and also to take the degree. It was agreed that the Council should adjourn for an hour, He thought the Council ought to take into consideration the during which time several committees would meet for the question of permitting different parts of examinations being dispatch of business. taken at different times, because it was a practice which The Council having reassembled, favoured the grinding system, and often led the examiners to Dr. ANDREW Wood moved that the resolutions of the Com. intensify their questions to such an extent as to make them mittee of the Council with reference to the reports of the beyond the capacity of average students.

visitors should be adopted. Mr. MACNAMARA said that the examination for the licentiate Sir WILLIAM GULL seconded the motion. was exactly similar to that for the degree of M.B.

Dr. THOMSON moved an amendment to the effect that the Sir Dominic CORRIGAN said that, as he before stated, there resolutions be adopted, with the exception of that passed with was no special examination for the degree of M.B., but that it reference to the Royal College of Physicians, which was the conld be taken by completing the arts course and paying the only body whose attention had been specially directed to requisite fees.

deficiencies in the examinations. The proceeding was, in his Sir WILLIAN GULL said that the examination for the licence opinion, a partial one, and he thought the better way would was also an examination for the M.B. degree. The only have been to send down the reports without comment, as they difference between the two was that the one student had a had not yet been taken into consideration by the bodies themlonger career at the University than the other.

selves, and it was therefore inexpedient to make special alluIt was resolved that the report of the visitors should be sions to them. It was undesirable, he thought, to single out sent to Trinity College for consideration and remarks.

one body as the subject of remark. The Report of the Visitors of the Examinations of the Mr. QUAIN seconded the amendment. Durham University then came up for consideration.

Sir WILLIAM GULL thought it was not enough to send down Dr. PYLE, referring to a remark that the examination was simply the reports of the visitors, and complained of the VOL. II. 1875. No. 1305.

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