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A. I don't know that they did,-not particular. I am not in the office much now days, because they are not doing much. I was not in the office at all yesterday, nor the day before.

Q. Did not you say anything about going? A. I did not lately. Last week I told them I was going to Washington; I named it in the office; but to no one in particular. I think I was talking to Mr. Chace.

Q. Do you mean to say that neither Major Engley nor Major Sanford knew that you were going to Washington last night?

A. No, sir; not that I know of.

Q. Did they not know that you were going somewhere?

A. I don't know as they knew I was going away last night, in particular.

Q. Did they not know that you were going away last night, yesterday or to-day?

A. Not that I know of. I did not tell them. I did not see them yesterday, neither Major Engley, Major Sanford or Chace.

Q. Have you seen them to-day?

A. No, sir; I have seen Major Sanford to-day, going into the Provost's office, that's the only one I have seen.

Q. Who furnished you with transportation on the cars?

A. The Quartermaster General.

Q. For your family?

A. No, sir; for myself.

Q. Did you apply to the Quartermaster General for a ticket yesterday?

A. No, sir; not yesterday; I applied a week or two ago for a ticket, and did not use it.

Q. What did you tell him you wanted a ticket for?

A. To go to Washington.

Q. On what business?

A. I told him I was going down to the front.

Q. Did you tell him what you were going to the front for?

A. I told him I was going to carry some things to the boys. I got the pass at the Adjutant General's office, to pass me down to the front.

Q. Did you carry some things down to sell?

A. No, sir; some things that their friends sent them.

Q. Is it customary for the Quartermaster General to furnish tickets to anybody who wants to go to the front?

A. No, sir; I don't think so. He knew I had been there a number of times, the Adjutant General did. I had always paid him full fares, and never made application before. I made application this time and he granted it.

Q. You had no order from Engley or Sanford, on the Quartermaster?

A. No, sir.

Q. By Mr. Blake. They did not know that you were going? A. They knew that I was going on, and I got it and went to New York and returned.

Q. By Mr. Blake. The Chairman asked you a question which did not seem to answer. What business did you go on? you

A. I was going down to the sutler of the 23d Pennsylvania Regt., to see if I could get a job of buying goods for the sutler's department. That's what I was going for, and at the same time to carry some packages for some of the 2d Rhode Island, which I have done before, without any charge.

Q. By Mr. Hill.

Did you have any packages?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. By the Chairman. For whom?


Some of the members of the 2d Rhode Island.


What names?

A. Capt. McIntire was one, and Stephen Barry was another. Q. Who sent the package to Capt. McIntire?

A. Some of his folks, I suppose.

Don't you know Mr. Farnsworth went on that week?
No, sir; I did not know it.



Q. Did you see Capt. McIntire when you went on?
A. I did not, sir.

Q. You say it is no uncommon thing for Dr. Gardiner to sign the papers of men after they have been rejected?

A. Oh, no, sir, not for rejected men; but to sign papers sent to him when a man would go there to-day, who had been there two or three times,-been there and been doctored, you know,-to bring up these papers and he would sign the papers.

(Dr. Gardiner, who was present during the examination, was permitted to question the witness.)

Q. I should like to ask of him whether he has been to my office since that man was brought there the first time? Have you been there yourself since?

A. I brought up another man to you since, yes, sir; I have been there since this man was rejected.


Wednesday, February 15th, 1865.

Q. Had you anything to do with the payment of any bounty or allotment of bounty, or the payment or collection of any orders given in connection with the veteran Third Regiment?



A. Yes, sir.

Q. What?

A. In the first place, the payment of everything of that nature this side of New Orleans, came into my hands. I was ordered by Commissioner A. D. Smith, 3d, to send those for the Third Regiment down to Chaplain Denison, and there it has remained.

Q. Since Chaplain Denison's return, did you have anything to do with them?

Yes, sir; I have.

Under what appointments, and what did you do?

A. Governor Smith came over to the office, and said I must go down to the Third R. I. Regt., in South Carolina, and settle up the State bounties that were not settled. By his orders, and those of Commissioner Smith, of course. I started about the 1st of Decem


Q. What was it about the orders that were held by J. A. Jastram, S. S. Lapham and others?

A. They were all attached. I attached them to the bounty certificates, that is, as far as I could. There were some that I could not find. Some of the bounties I had orders for, but no bounty certificates.

Q. Did you collect those orders, if so, by whose authority?
A. No, sir; I did not collect them.

Q. Why not?


Because the men would not sign the bounty certificates. Q. Did you collect any of them?

A. There were two or three that were settled. I got them all received by the Adjutant. Some of them had been signed and not received. I think there are eight that are settled in that way, or ready to be.

Q. Why did not the men sign these?

A. I am sure I cannot say. The reason they gave, was, that they could only get from $90 to $125 for a certificate of $150.

Q. Did some of them say that they had not received anything? A. Yes, sir; one said so, which has been paid this week. It was sent down there and signed by him, and we paid it. We have paid. it in our office. The man said he did not get anything. On the back of it, it was payable to John A. Jastram. He admitted that he never had bought it. We sent it down and had the man sign it, or put an order on the back of it, to pay to John A. Jastram. It was done by Col. Francis, or some of his clerks, probably. These men have not been paid because of these orders, up to the present time. They have sold their bounties. Everything that had not been sold has been paid. I paid them the cash. I am sure I do not know how they sold them. The men say they sold them themselves; that they sold them to the parties whose names are on the back of the bounty certificates, and still they refuse to sign the orders, unless they get the balance of the money.

Q. Who paid your expenses in going down there?

A. The State Commissioner, the same as he always does. you pay out while you were down there?

Q. How much did

A. There was only one man that I paid $25 to, to give up a draft; I paid him $25 to give up a draft, payable, I think, to Joseph E. Dispeau.

Q. Whose money was that that you paid?

A. It was in my possession, of course, belonging to the State. I was responsible to the State for it; still, the man had already received his $200. His bounty certificate was $200. Mr. Denison gave me $60 in cash, and then gave him a draft for $140 to send to. J. E. Dis

peau. Dispeau, in the first place, bought the whole of it for $140; So that Dispeau has lost his $25 to get his $140 draft, and he had paid the $25 to the State. I paid it myself, but Dispeau paid it in fact. He paid it to me,-I was responsible for it. I received, also, money from other parties. I cannot tell unless I get the duplicates. There were, probably, $600 or $700 that I received and gave them drafts for, to send to their families and friends.

Q. Did you receive any money from any private party here, for going down there, or for any service you rendered while there?

A. No, sir.

Q. Only the $25 from Dispeau ?

A. No, sir; I received that after I got back. I was not obliged to pay it. ૨.

Q. Did you receive any compensation after you got back from any other parties,-persons like Jastram and Lapham?


No, sir; not a cent.

Q. How much money did you take down from the Allotment Commissioner?

A. I merely took enough for my expenses. I took only $200 when I left, thinking I should be back in two weeks; but, I had to wait two months for boats. I received money while I was there and used that.


Question. Were you a Major in the R. I. L. Artillery? if so, 'from what time to what time?

Answer. I was from the 11th or 12th of September, 1861, to sometime in March, 1864, when I resigned.

Q. Have you had anything to do with the service of recruiting soldiers in this State since June 1st, 1863, and it so, state what, and under what arrangement it was carried on?

A. At that time, I had charge of recruiting for the 1st R. I. L. A., but at that time, was under orders to report to the Governor for additional service. I became interested in the general recruiting for the State. The order was issued a year previous or more. The first arrangement was the regular bounty with head money to all who presented men, I think, of $10. Col. W. Sayles had charge of recruiting for the 3d Cavalry. I had an indirect charge when directed. Short time after this we got authority to raise a colored regiment of artillery, and we disbanded, so far as they were enlisted,-should no think that more than one or two companies had been enlisted,-the cavalry regiment was changed to a three years regiment. The disbanded men, if they re-enlisted, would be entitled to a bounty upon re-enlistment, as if this was their first enlistment, and without reference to the reception of any previous bounty. About seven or eight weeks after, the organization of the 14th Regiment was commenced. The Governor sent for me with reference to this regiment, and from that time I superintended the recruiting. In August 1862,, or July,

I enlisted J. C. Engley as a private in the light artillery. I was astonished that a man of his ability would enlist as a private. I put him on recruiting service for the artillery, in which he was successful. After a while he went to the field for two months. Then he was again ordered to report for recruiting service, and did report. Gov. Sprague gave him a commission of Lieutenant for the 5th Regiment. He recruited for that regiment until Col. Sisson went to Newbern. The next I knew of him, he was engaged in the substitute business. Major Engley was not mustered into the service when Gov. Smith spoke to me. I sent for Major Engley, who was then getting substitutes for the towns, and told him I wished him to drop that business, and assist me in recruiting. This was shortly subsequent to the riots in New York. I sent Sergeant Grabner to New York. He returned with twenty-seven men. This encouraged Major Engley, and at that time I gave him a limited charge of recruiting, and he went to New York and returned with forty-seven inen. Within a few days he asked me about an understanding. He told me that it was a disagreeable business. He had an interview with the Governor, and several with myself, which resulted in his being made Major, and drawing the pay of a Major, head-money of $10, with a prospect of more, if necessary, and he accepted and was appointed Major. I think that these companies of the first battalion were enlisted before any change was made in this. Up to this time, two-thirds of the men enlisted came from New York and Brooklyn. That field became thin; and to fill the regiment it became necessary to go to other places. We had another consultation with Engley, the latter part of September, or the first of October, 1863. The Governor concluded that there was no safety in supplying forty, or fifty, or sixty State agents for recruits, with money from the State Treasury. Major Engley having considerable property, mortgaged it for $10,000, and put the money into this business of recruiting. My only information upon this point was from him. Then he had the full charge of the detail of the business under myself and Governor Smith, of course, so far as getting the men to enlist. There was no contract, but from the special orders of Governor Smith. The Governor said to him then, "you can take places west of New York, and as far west as Buffalo, including Albany and Canada." He was to have an understanding with the men in that tract, and in no case should he have any understanding with any man that he should enlist for $250. The agent to return men who should not pass; and upon the men who were passed, Engley was to have $50. Engley was to furnish all transportation from beyond New York, and all that exceeded $4 from Providence. There was another strip of country which he could have under the same conditions, $75, another $100, another $150, another $200, and in case of a contraband, he was to have $50, or not to be brought away. It was intended that no other agent had authority co-equal with Engley. Dr. Helme had an arrangement with D. W. Vaughn & Co., and by that arrangement was to have $10 for each man. The intention was to place the recruiting princi

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