6 Thompson (in The Mistress of Vision') has to him [qu'elle lui adresse], in which, as I have a similar reference : East, oh, east of Himalay Dwell the nations underground, For the sun's uprising sound... Or must we suppose that Thompson merely "took over Kipling, obliviously? W. M. MANNERS AND CUSTOMS OF THE FRENCH': B. ROTCH.-This work was published by Thomas Sotheran in 1815, and contains quaint illustrations of French manners at the time of Waterloo in a series of letters to an old City baronet from his nephew, whom he has allowed to visit France. It is illustrated with ten designs taken on the spot, and coloured by hand in the style of Rowlandson. The work was reprinted in an edition of 250 copies with preface by Henry Sotheran, who remembered hearing his father say" that they were by one Benjamin Rotch, a Middlesex magistrate." I should like to know if Rotch was the author. M. A. C. "LOVERS' Vows.'-Was 'Lovers' Vows,' the play represented in Miss Austen's 'Mansfield Park' as having been rehearsed for private performance, an actual play, or imaginary? If there was any such play at the time, where can it be seen? J. T. F. Durham. been told, there is a grammatical error, an error respectable from its antiquity." This passage is not in the Brussels edition of Casanova. SWEENY TODD ANTICIPATED: DELONEY'S THOMAS OF READING.'-In Deloney's novel of Thomas of Reading' (1598 ?) occurs a story of an innkeeper of Colnbrook who murders his guests by means of a collapsible floor, which precipitates them (asleep in bed) [The play was real, an adaptation from into a cauldron arranged in the basement. Kotzebue by Mrs. Inchbald in 1798.] What a smile may procure Never lose by a frown. The innkeeper's name is given as Jarman. and his inn as "The Crane," and several that the story is either taken from tradition incidental touches favour the impression or actual fact. Are any sixteenth-century (or earlier) analogues of this story known to your readers? F. O. M. [Sweeny Todd and his crimes have been extensively discussed in N. & Q.'; see 9 S. vii. Will some one be so good as to complete 508; viii. 131, 168, 273, 348, 411, 512; ix. 345, the context of the above. MAY. VENICE AND ITS PATRON SAINT.-In the 'Mémoires de Jacques Casanova,' Paris, Garnier Fréres, vii. 199, the Empress Catherine II. of Russia says to Casanova : "Venice is remarkable also for its arms, which follow no rules of heraldry, for the picture [le tableau] cannot, properly speaking, be termed an escutcheon. It is also remarkable for the pleasing face which it gives to the evangelist its patron, as well as for the five Latin words which it dedicates 477; x. 303.] COLLET AT LEYDEN.-An uncle of the Collets of Little Gidding was living at Leyden in 1643-4. Most probably he was one of their merchant relatives, and if not a Collet, he might have been a Wodenoth or a Ferrar. I have applied for information, first, to the Secretary of the Senate of Leyden University, and secondly (at his suggestion) to the Chief Archivist of that town; but they have neither of them records of the British residents of that date. Can any reader kindly suggest another course that might lead to the identification of this person? Please reply direct. (Miss) E. CRUWYS SHARLAND. 8, Cranbury Road, Reading. RICHARD COOPE OF FULHAM.-How can his parentage be ascertained? He was a member of the Salters' Company, but they cannot give it. He was connected with the Middlesex Hospital, and was buried at Camberwell in 1765. He married twice, and the names of his wives are wanted. He was a man of means, and probably was connected with the Whaley family and Lord Blaney, an Irish title. Somerset House and the usual sources have been searched. Please reply direct. MRS. HAUTENVILLE COPE. 18, Harrington Court, S.W. D'ERESBY OR DE ERESBY ?-MR. G. H. WHITE, ante, p. 18, writes "Lord Willoughby d'Eresby correctly, as I believe; but the principal newspapers almost invariably give the name as "Lord Willoughby de Eresby." Will some learned reader of 'N. & Q.' explain why? HENRY SMYTH. Stanmore Road, Edgbaston. LYFORD FAMILY.-Is anything known of a Richard Lyford whose wife Sarah was daughter of Francis Ashley of East Wellow, Hampshire, in 1713 ? At that date her father made his will, which was proved 6 April, 1714, P.C.C. X. Y. Z. DAUGHTER. MOSES AND PHARAOH'S Can any one say which of the Old Masters painted the finding of Moses by Pharaoh's daughter? Please reply direct. 63, Albion Street, Leeds. G. D. LUMB. GREY FAMILY.-I should be glad to be referred to any sources of information (other than the printed Calendars to the Rolls of State) as to the property held in the City in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries by the noble family of the Greys, Earls of Kent. WILLIAM MCMURRAY. Replies. SIR ANTHONY AND ANTHONY STANDEN: THE ARMADA. (11 S. i. 388.) THE following epitaph, which I copy from Manning and Bray's History of Surrey,' 1804, throws some light on the parentage of these brothers : "East Molesey Church, on a brass plate in the middle ayle :- Here lyeth Anthonie Standen, Gent., third son of Edmond Standen, Esq., which Anthonie was Cupbearer to the King of Scotland, sometime Lord Darley [sic], father to King James now of England, and also sworne servant to his Majestie, who, after much experience of the various state of humane things marying, bequeathed himself to a quiet and private life, where notwithstanding evermore endevoring (although with his owne cost) to make peace betweene those that were att debate, promoting ye poore man's cause, often wth his owne expense, and full of other pious workes, he departed this life the 10th of March, 1611, in the 71 yeare of his age. This stone Elizabeth his widdowe hath placed for a remembrance of him." There is reference in the same work to certain property held by Edmund Standen (presumably the father of the Anthony mentioned in the epitaph), including the manor of Molesey Matham, held before by Thos. Langar :: for 21 years, commencing at the expiration of the "5 May, 5 Edw. VI., 1552, a reversionary lease last mentioned, was granted to Edmund Standen, Esq. 23 Oct., 15 Elizabeth, 1573, these premises were demised to Wm Howard for 21 years from the expiration of that granted to Standen. "13 Jan., 28 Eliz., Ao 1586, a lease was granted to Edmund Standen, Esq., of lands, &c., in E. and W. Molesey for 21 years: rent 448. 8d., value 131. 68. 8d." East Molesey Church was damaged by fire in 1863, pulled down, and rebuilt. The Standen arms were Azure, a mullet on a chief indented of the last a lion passant gules. or; Is it not possible that the Anthony Standen of Walton-on-Thames, mentioned by MR. WAINEWRIGHT as appearing before the Privy Council in 1586, may be the same as the person referred to in the above epitaph ? There seems to be a gap in his history between 1575, when he was at Brussels, and 1590, when he was imprisoned in Bordeaux. By the Acts of the Privy Council' it seems that one Edmund Standen was Clerk of the Stable in the time of Edward VI., there being five references to him between 1550 and 1552. May this not have been the father of Anthony Standen of East Molesey ? A Capt. Albanes has come from Nancy in Lorraine to levy 600 horsemen in Italy, Lorrain, but the commissions are subscribed and "he giveth out for the Service of the House of sealed by the D. of Parma. And to conclude, is undoubtedly holden they intend to visit us in my Fleming writeth flatly, that the next year England with a mighty Force." In reference to his brother Sir Anthony expected, for the Succours came not in sixteen Standen, I find mention in ‘Calendar of State hours after, nevertheless....the damage hath Papers, Scotland,' vol. ii. 1589-1603, of been more than a Million of Crowns. certain letters sent by him from Florence. Two under date 1583, 23 March and 23 June respectively, are addressed to the Archbishop of Glasgow; and two, dated 2 Oct., 1584, and 28 April, 1585, to the Queen of Scots. On again referring to these letters, I notice that they are described as those of Anthony Standen, the 66 'Sir 22 being omitted. they be those of the Anthony named in the Can epitaph, since the elder brother was knighted in 1559? preparations, some under Carlo Spinelli. IV. 30 July, 1587. Mention of Italian V. 28 Aug., 1587. By far "Indian fleets" is not liked, The pillage of the the most interesting of Sir Anthony's letters are to be found in the where some of his Subjects are interest, and have "and namely the last ship that came from Calicut British Museum MSS. (1894–9). belong to the years 1587-8. These lost a round portion. If the Fleet of the Peru under the name of Pompeo Pelligrini to Sir our faces, for I think they would Stone us to death should likewise fall in Drake's clutches, we He writes English Catho: here should not be able to shew Francis Walsingham, who is described as in the Streets, such a general mislike is grown Giacopo Mannucci. There are seven in all-here of our Nation, within these two Months, the first five from Florence, and the last about these matters, for that Italy more than two from Madrid. more than briefly describing their contents manner, will ruin many a Family, that now Space forbids me from any other Country is damnified by that, and the stop of that navigation, which following in this and giving excerpts. The italics are as floweth in Wealth, and such as a while agone laughed at the abasement of Spain, discovering now their private intermeddled with the other, do cry out and become contraries." found in the MSS. I. 11 Feb., 1587. He says that one Lewis has had the Bishopric of Cassano in Calabria, valued at 1,000 crowns yearly, assigned to him. "These be liberalities of the K. of Spain to our Country....which is a good token of his affection and desire to do good to our Island, and the Catho: thereof." The King of Spain has sent to Florence "that the armada in Portugal is not to go to any II. 5 June, 1587. He speaks of preparation in men, ships, and provisions being made in Italy for the Armada. "The most and soundest opinion is, that this Voyage is about the Fortification of La Xaccia in Barberia, altho' they give out for England." III. 3 July, 1587. The Marquis of Santa Cruz is making great haste, but he will not venture until the succours from Italy arrive "The attempts of Sir Fra: Drake upon those coasts [i.e., of Spain] do make them all to tremble, and if upon his entring into the Port of Cades he had immediately landed, he had undoubtedly, and without contrast, put that rich Town to Sack, and made a great Booty, which they all some also of the council, have opinion, that "Where our Protestants at home, and as I hear advance his kin with the treasure he hath heaped this Pope hath a mind to garboil in Italy, or to together, herein shew they not to be acquainted with his humour, which is most alienate from that thought, for certain it is he thirsteth nothing more than the enterprise of England." I think you may remember that these five years who is "still dallying to win time.” "Be careful how you write, I pray you, not under those rigorous Laws....For my country in respect of me, but for yourself, living there I wish it were Catholic, or at least that Catholicks To have the Religion restored by Violent hand, might....live without molestation of Pursuivants, and that by our Mortal Foes, I never could like Sergeants, Sbirri, and such hungry Canaglia. of; rather wish I to be underground, than to see that doleful day. Thus you see how I write in a * Dr. W. Allen, made Cardinal 4 Nov., 1586. Catholic stile, as you will me to, and as hereafter I intend to follow." VI. 30 April, 1588. He reached Spain from Florence 10 April, and after one day's rest went to Lisbon, "there to see this puissant and mighty army [the Armada], so long a preparing.' Yesterday I came back again full weary.. which I no whit repent myself of, having had the sight of that, which by no Letters, or other relation, I could have been so satisfied, and knowing also how desirous you are to have the meer truth, also for the content you are to receive of the coming of these Forces, which may procure some hope to us, and our Catholic Brethren. I pray God it be not with the ruin of the Realm...: I have seen the most part of the Vessels in passing good order," &c. "On Sunday the 24th the Cardinal of Austria, after a Solemn Mass in the Cathe: Church, said certain Prayers and blessed the Royal Standard, which being done, it was borne before the Duke of Medina Sidonia to the Ship, at whose entry therewith, all the Navy made a Notable Salve of Artillery, and to-morrow, which is the Apostles' day, they are to spread Sails to the wind; here, and thro' all Spain, are continual Prayers, and general processions, and the blessed Sacrament daily abroad in every Church, the like I hear is done at Rome. You there, I doubt not, will assist also with your Prayers, that it may please God to appease his Ire, and grant us union in his true Catho: and Roman Religion....I hope by the end of June to be back again, and then to find there some of your letters. VII. 28 May, 1588. "I judge this Navy (now in readiness under the Castle of Belem, expecting wind to set sail) may be in your Quarters before these come to your hands, yet would I omit no occasion to write, saying that heretofore I was in the number of the Incredulous, yet now being in Place where I may hear and see, I confess to be in the wrong, for now I am out of doubt they will in very deed that way, so that the Lightning and Thunder Clap will be both in a moment. From Dunkirk is lately come to Lisbon a small ship with good speed, having passed in seven days. She bringeth from the Duke of Parma certain Pilots for the conduct of this army, and saith that upon all the Coast of our Land, she never saw one Sail, and farther avoweth that the said Duke much soliciteth the departure of the said Armada." "About 16 months agone was taken a youth entring Spain out of France, about Fontarabia, who hath given out his Person to be begotten between our Queen and the Earl of Leicester, born at Hampton Court, and forthwith by the elder Asheley delivered into the hands of one Southorne, then Servant to Mrs. Asheley, with charge, upon pain of Death, that the said Southorne should not reveal the matter; but bring it up, who brought the Babe to a Miller's Wife of Moulsey, to give it suck, and afterwards the said Southorne going into his Country, which was Wurcester or Shropshire, carried with him the Child, and there brought it up, in Learning and Qualities; in the end, discovering to this Youth the whole Secret, he took a flight over Seas, where many years he hath remained, untill his coming hither, his name is Arthur, and of 27 years of age or thereabout; this forsooth is his saying, and taketh upon him like to the man he preand is very solemnly warded, and served with an tendeth to be, whereupon he wanteth no keepers, expence to this King of 6 crowns a day. If I had mine Alphabet, I would say more touching his lewd speeches, and if I may I will do him pleasure, specially if I be called to account about him, as it formed that about that time, I served in court, is told me, I shall shortly be, the King being inwhereby I may say somewhat to this matter. Here in this Town and Country are great Prayers, Processions, Fastings, and Alms, for the happy now more than ever in hand. success of this Armada in this Cause of God, will join with us here in heart and spirit in such I hope you there sort as once we may meet at home with the sure enjoying of the true Catholic Religion in our Country, whereof we may now the better hope, seeing our Queen is said here to have sent Batson the Jesuit to Rome about overture with his Holiness to be reconciled, which God grant and always preserve you." The Armada set sail 29 May, the day after this letter. The last reference I can find to Sir Anthony Standen is the one mentioned by MR. WAINEWRIGHT under date 28 July, 1605, when, in a letter to Sir Thomas Lake, he speaks of going to France. In the brothers' petition for arrears of pensions (1603) it is mentioned that they went into Scotland with Margaret, Countess of Lennox. CHR. WATSON. 294, Worple Road, Wimbledon. Four letters written from Florence by Sir are recorded in the Anthony Standen Calendar of State Papers,' vol. ii. Two of them are addressed to the Archbishop of Glasgow, and the other two to Mary, Queen of Scots. These letters are referred to in Nau's History of Mary Stuart,' edited by Stevenson, in Labanoff's 'Lettres de Marie Stuart,' vol. vii., and in Petit's History of Mary Stuart,' vol. ii. p. 18. The historians, however, add nothing to the information contained in MR. WAINEWRIGHT'S query. The petition of Sir Anthony and his brother, as well as the narrative of the former, claiming to have saved Queen Mary's life, will be found in the Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, 1603-10.' From his own account it would appear that Sir Anthony participated in the murder of Rizzio. The circumstance of his imprisonment in the Tower, arising seemingly out of an intercepted letter to Parsons the Jesuit, may be gathered from the Calendar of State Papers, Domestic, under 1604. In the following year a letter, dated from Crutched Friars, shows that he had been set at liberty previous to 28 July, 1605. to the exact location of the old Cock Tavern" at Temple Bar, or rather, where Temple Bar once stood. MR. CECIL CLARKE (p. 414) speaks of the old sign of “The Cock as having been stolen, and, as he thinks, afterwards recovered. This was so, I believe. There hunters; others believed that it was taken away because the proprietor was afraid that it might be stolen, as it was known that the long-drawn-out existence of the old house must shortly come to an end, or that it might not be included in the list of fixtures in case they had to be sold. I myself questioned Mr. Colnett on the subject, but could get very little information. Anyhow, about the time of the removal of the tavern to the south side of Fleet Street, as I have said, the gilt effigy reappeared in its old place over the doorway. This must be some thirty years or more ago, but I never forget, when I pay occasional visits to London, to look in at “The Old Cock Tavern and order my luncheon as of old. But somehow, with all the old waiters gone and a new proprietor, it does not was considerable mystery about the whole seem the same thing, though perhaps over transaction, and I and many other Templars spoilt my palate somewhat. twenty years of a tropical diet may have The very who had an almost daily chop and half-class of customers seems changed, for I pint of stout (we had degenerated since Tennyson's ode was written, and few of us could manage a pint then!) in the old place, were greatly excited about it. fancy that nothing like so many Templars take their luncheons there now that their up-to-date Benchers provide for them such halls of their own Inns. "Tempora muexcellent and reasonable repasts in the tantur, nos et mutamur in illis.” Antigua, W.I. J. S. UDAL, F.S.A. TOM JONES. AS MR. DOUGLAS infers (p. 254), there was some considerable delay before the old place actually came down, notwithstanding that the site was badly wanted. The value of the business done for such a small place was large, and was of such a nature that it could be carried on with only a narrow Carriers' Cosmography; or, A Brief Relation See also Taylor the Water Poet's 'The entrance for its customers, whilst the com- of the Inns, Ordinaries, Hostelries, and pensation for disturbance must have been others Lodgings in and near London, 1637, considerable. Eventually it crossed over which includes a few of the taverns already the way almost bodily, I may say, all the old fittings (including the Jacobean oak mentioned, and about eighty more signs. fireplace, the old tables and benches, together with the seventeenth-century farthing token, the only one, I believe, of the old Cock EASTER TWICE IN ONE YEAR, O.S. (11 S. i. Tavern known to be in existence) being 305, 376).—' Whitaker's Almanack,' 1910, removed to a little east of the Inner Temple p. 69, Table of Easter Days,' &c., uses the gateway and the so-called Henry VIII.'s historical computation, to the exclusion of Palace. This is a circumstance to which the civil, ecclesiastical, or legal year, and none of your correspondents have alluded, is historically correct in doing so. perhaps because it is so well known, whilst, if I remember rightly, I and others in the pages of N. & Q. have referred to its continued existence, and the upstairs room where the business was carried on amidst its old surroundings, and, as far as possible, in the old way. 32 66 And The civil year used to begin on the 25th of March, a fixed date, whereas Easter Day was always the first Sunday after the first full moon which happened next after the one-and-twentieth day of March. if the full moon happened upon a Sunday, Easter Day was the Sunday after. Thus It was shortly before this removal, I think Easter Day could happen on the 22nd, (the proprietor at that time being Mr. Col- 23rd, or 24th of March, i.e., at the end of a nett), that this stealing-if stealing it was— civil year, or, as it were, before its proper took place. There were various rumours time; so two Easter Days would occasionaccounting for its disappearance. Some ally fall in one civil year. But the historical put it down to the action of American relic-year (1 January-31 December) could not |