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dess the Pope has Power to Depose Princes at his Pleasure, and that there is no Sin in Rebellion, and all the Blood and Defolation that follow it, if his Holiness so Command !

L. But the Church does not oblige us to profefs or fubferibe the Deposmg Doctrine, no, nor to believe it, so that you may be a good Roman Catholick, notwithstanding all this. Nay you may oppose the Deposing Doctrine, as the Clergy of France do

...? G. And may I not be as good a Roman Catholick if I do believe it, and defend it, and praktice it too? And have I not all the Encouragement the Church of Rome can give me, the frequent Practice of the Popes themselves, and here the Canon of a General Council for it? And have any of the Popes ever yet Renounced it ?

L. But the Doctors do not agree about the Sense of that Canon. You see France takes it in

quite contrary Sense from the Pope and Italian Doctors.

G. Then your Lordship sees thát Canons are but a dead Letter, 'and that there


be Dicputes about them.' And where then is the Living Infallible Fudge always in beinig? You see the Canons of foriner Councils cannot be this Fudge. There must be another Judge to determine what the true Sense of them is. And who should that Judge be but the Pope thë Head of the Church? I am sure if I were a Roman Catholicke I should be on that Side. I could thew Your Lordship several other Canons of



Councils that are in Difpute among your own Doctors; but that can be no Wonder, when į have already thewed, they are in Dispute a bout the Council themselves. So that there is do Certainty, what the Judgnient of

your Church is. Or rather it is certain that it is most Erroneous, and in Matters that concern pur Eternal Salvation, as well as the peace of the World, that is, Rebellion Camong other things) which is as Witchcraft and Idolatry. I have Instanced in this Sin, because I know Your Lordship to be tenacious of your Loy: alty. : And now, My Lord, since the Saving of our Souls is the End for our being of any Church, I leave Your Lordship to Judge, whether the People are fafest in the Communion of Rome, or of the Church of England, as to this point?

(20.) L. They are safe in the Church of France, where the Deposing Doctrine is difowned.

G. My Lord, our Difpute is with the Church of Rome. And if the Church of France differs from the Church of Rome, in Matters whereon our Salvation depends, they cannot be said to be one Church, or to have the fame Guides to Heaven.

But, My Lord, the Pope's Deposing Power, ḥas extended it felf even to France, of which you will find frequent Instances in their Histoties. And even so late as the Holy League a


gainst Hen. III. all the Popes in that time joined with the League against the King, and supported that Rebellion by their Authority. And the Generality of the Bisbaps and Clergy of France, and their Universities took part with the League, and justified it by Principle and in Print, the Book de justa Abdicatione Henrici III. Oftbe just Abdication of Hen.III. King of France, was then wrote upon the foot of the Deposing Power, not only of the Pope but also of the People. And D'Avila in his History of these

Civil Wars in France tells, D'Avila. Hift. of the A great and Solemn Process žliso Translation. Prin- fion was made by Order from red in the Savoy, 1678. the Cardinal. Legat, to im., Lib, xi. Pag. 459.

plore God's. Afistance (for the Success of the League against the King) in wbich the Prelates, Priests, and, Monks of the several Religious Orders, walked all in their accustomed Habits; but besides them, Armed openly with Corsets, Guns, Swords, Partifans, and all kind of Arms Offensive and Defenfive, making at once a double Shew, both of De. uption, and Conftancy of Heart to defend themfelves. Which Ceremony thoug to many it seemed Undecent and Ridiculous, yet was of great use to augment and confirm the Courage of the common People.

And the Cardinal-Legat says in the Declarge

tiến he Rubined to the Leaguets, Ibid. Lib.xiïi. that to acknowledge an Heretick

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And the Leaguers shew wherein they placed their Confidence, and say, They are the most holy Father's' (the Ibid.p.598. Popes) and the most Holy See that have sent us Relief : And though many have been called to that fupreme Dignity (of the Popedom) since these last Troubles, yet bath there not been one of them who hath changed bis Affe&tion towards us. A most certain Testimony that our Cause is Juft.

And there had been Six Popes during the League, viz. Gregory XIII. Sixtus V. Urban VII. Gregory XIV. Innocent IX. and. Clement VIII. And they supported that Rebellion, not only with their Blessing it and the Authors of it, and Curfing the King and all the Loyal Subjects who Adhered to him, but they fént more fubftantial Relief, viz. 300000 Crowns for the Service of the Cardinal of Bourbon, whom they: Ibid, Lib

. xii

. had chosen King, by the Name of Charles the Tenth, against the next in Blood, only because he was a Protestant, and 15000 Crowns a Month to carry on that Rebellion, with an Army of 6000 Foot, and 1200 Horse to Aslift these Holy Leaguers. The Pope went Heart and Hand into this. Work, which be accounted excellently Good (fay's D'Avila) and of wonderful Glory and Advancement to the Apoftolick See. And afterwards, when the Success of the King's Arms had induced several of the


P. 493, 501, 503.

Lib. xi. p.43t.

po 613.

Clergy and others to come over to him, the

Pope sent his Monitory Letters to Lib. xiii. the Prelates and Catholicks, com

manding them under Pain of Excommunication, and of being deprived of their Dignities and Benefices, and of being used Se&taries and Hereticks, that they should withdraw themselves from those Places that yeilded Obedience to Henry of Bourbon (su he stiled the King) and from the Union and Fellowship of his Fałtion., And the Authority of the Pope prevailed so far at last, That those Catholicks who had joined with the King formed a ConSpiracy against him, upon his Delay of changing his Religion, wherein the Princes of the Blood were most violent, and told him plainly to his Face, that if he did 110t perforin his Promise (to turn Roman Catbolick) they would. Desert him, and join with the League. See D'Avila, p. 611, 6120, as likewise; 555, 601, 'and 605.

After his Coiiversion, and being by that Established upon the Throne, they feared his Power, and therefore the Pope (aš now) inade less Noise with the Deposing Doctrinë; which yet he would not disown, but keep it in Pettó till a more fitting Opportunity. But yet it was not carried fo Covertly, but that, even in their Sermons, wife and willing Men

might know their Meană See King James I. his De- ing. Ravaillac upon his gainst Cardinal Perron, p. 4. Examination, alledged


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