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tliein from the lieart, though they were not kept out oi iin- court: so most principal and mischievous designs have been practised by such as had near access unto his majesty, though not to his heart; and the apologists and promoters of ill counsel are still preferred.—3. The ill counsels of this time arc, in their own nature, in ie mischievous and more dangerous than the ill counsels of former times: former counsels have been to please kings in their vices, from which our king is free, and sometimes for racking of the prerogative. If it had gone no furtiier it had brought many miseries, But not ruin and destruction: but the ill counsels of this time are destructive to religion and laws, by altering them both; therefore more mischievous, in their own nature, than those of former times.—4. That these ill counsels have proceeded from a spirit and inclination to l'opcry; and have had a dependance on Popery, and all of them K ml to it. The religion of the Papists is a religion incompatible with any other religion; destructive to all others, and doth not endure any thing that opposcth it. Whosoever doth withstand their religion, if they have power, they bring them to ruin. There are other relictions that are not right, but not so destructive as Popery; for the principles of Popery are destructive ol nil states and persons that oppose it. With the progress ol this mischievous counsel they provide counsellors, fit instruments aud organs, that may execute their own designs; and so turn all counsels to their own ends: and you find, now in Ireland, that those designs, that have been upon all the three kingdoms, do end in a war, for the maintenance of Popery in Ireland, and would do the like here if they were able; so intent arc they to turn all to their own advantage.—5. That un'css these ill counsels be changed, it is impossible that any assistance, aid, or advice that the parliament can take to reform, will be effectual; for the public orders and law « are but dead, if not put in execution. Those that arc the ministers of state put things, into action; but if acted by evil men, and while these counsels are on foot, we can expect no good; it is like a disease th > ■ urns nutritives into poison. 6. That this is the most proper time to desire of his majesty the alteration and change of the evil Counsellor's, because the common wealth is brought into distemper by them, and so exhausted that we can endure no longer. Anothe reason why we cannot admit of them, is, to shew our love and fidelity to the king in great and extraordinary contributions and aids. When God doth employ his servants, he doth give some promise to rouse up their spirits; and we have reason now to expect the king's grace in great abundance. This is the time wherein the subjects are to save the kingdom of Ireland, with the hazard of their lives and fortunes; and therefore expect it from his majesty in a more large and bountiful manner than at other times. A time of great agitation and action, their state being ready, by prepara.tiou, to annoy us, ill and fane, counsels at Lome

may quickly bring us to ruin. As we W weakness at home, so we ought to discern it actions abroad, where great provisions vi made: and a carelessness and improvideM herein, when our neighbours are so proririfi and have great fleets at sea, will open a «n to sudden ruin and destruction, before we cc be prepared ; and therefore it is now the itus time to move the king.—7. and lastly, ' Tsz this alteration of counsels will bring greatsvantages to the king in his own designs, is all our actions, our prayers to God should be. that his name may be glorified; so oar p* tions to liis majesty should bring honour, f" fit, and advantage to him, by a discouragta-ii. to the rebels; a great part of their confideKt resting in the evil counsels at home, as bytk examinations appeareth. It will be a great ftcouragement to the king's good subject.1 t home, who hazard their lives, and give aid wt contribution, to have things governed for fc public good. It will make men afraid top fer servants to the king that are ill counse]L"> when they shall come to the examination the parliament; for many times servants M preferred to princes for the advantage of >• reign states. This will put an answer into h king's mouth against all importunities, Tbs he is to prefer none, but such as will be >fproved of by parliament. Those that art I> nourablc and most ingenuous are aptest to U troubled in this kind, and not to deny: the* fore the king may answ er, ' He hath promts his parliament not to admit of any, but by * vice of parliament.' This will silence lia all. These are domestick advantages: bat J will also make us fitter to enter into union. treaty with foreign nations and states, and s be made partakers of the strength and askance of others: it will fortify us against w designs of foreign princes. There hath bea one common counsel at Rome and in SpA to reduce us to Popery; if good counsel '■ home, wc shall be the better prepared to preserve peace and union, and better respect fcn Ireland. It will also make us fit for any asLfc design nbrond." Si

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lore, &c. there had been a debate iu the boui« of commons, this day, on the same subject, .; which we find a speech of

Sir William Drake, member for AgMt desham, as follows : •' Air. Speaker; If we c*sider those dangerous disturbances that tU kingdom hath, of late years, laboured undf' 'tis certain that, in a general and original osasidcratiou, we cannot but impute them to wrath of God, for the sins or this nation; tain a second and more particular considerate we may properly ascribe them to the violet Counsels of some late ministers of state; »ki either for want of counsel, or by milic*>o practice, have brought this state, from a happ". firm, and strong constitution, to so weak"*

l nDrono.

W. Drake's Speech on the same Suhjrtj rtus to this Conference about evil Coui:^

* London, printed by Win. Lowndes, 1641

eeble > temper, that the great physician, the mrliament, cannot, but with extreme difficulty, ipply remedies fit and proportionable to the liH'ase, without they inevitably run romc haard of endangering the body itself: it being erv perilous to apply stronger remedies than lie strength and constitution of the patient can tell bear.—Mr. Speaker; you were truly told, iv a grave and worthy member (Sir B. Rudard) at the beginning of this parliament, Phat it must be some extreme necessity that muld rectify and recover this state; and that then that extremity did come, it would be a rcat hazard whether it might prove a remedy ir a ruin; because violent diseases do most ommonly require violent remedies, and viornt remedies are ordinarily pregnant of new nischiefs; which hath caused those states, best killed in government, always to discern evil far off in their causes; and, by their wisdom ml foresight, to prevent them. I am coniiIcnt, had we had frequent parliaments, we

stant to this ground of religion, kept this kingdom peaceable and united at home; afforded a comfortable influence and assistance to the Protestant parties abroad; and, after a long and happy reign went unlo her eternal rest in Glory.—And truly, sir, I speak it with all humility, yet with some confidence, that I shall never expect to see the quiet settled 9tate of this kingdom, till there be some course taken to settle Religion to some rule and uniformity; and not to be thus suffered in an uncertain condition, between illegal innovations and superstition on the one side, and I know not what lawless and irregular confusion on the other.-—■ And let us all, i beseech you, calmly and seriously consider, how natural a motion it is to most men, not limited by some law, when they arc come out of one extreme, wherein they have been held by fear, to run with as violent a course into another; from superstition and idolatry, to irreverence and contempt of God's publick worship and ordinances.—For our

hould have given a timely stop to mischiefs, Laws, Mr. Speaker, how hare they been vio

ind never have suffered them to have broken n upon us with such an inundation of distcmiers that, without divine prevention, may yet wallow us up.—Mr. Speaker; it is observed of he Roman Senate, a pattern of best governnent, so long as they held up their first virtue ind valour, that, after a great defeat by Hanlibal, their confederates began to forsake hem. But Hiero, king of Sicily, having so liereing a judgment, that he could see through lie present to the future; and observing the iunians still so considerate and constant in all heir proceedings, even in this extreme exi;fp.cy of their affairs; and that their laws were lever more strictly observed by their magisrates, nor their people more obedient to their cnate or parliament; and how their military li'cipline was never, likewise, more severely ibscrved: this wise prince, seeing their foundations stood thus firm, sent them presents of treat value ; and corresponded with them in a ■tncter league of friendship than ever before: "it unlike a good physician, who, seeing favourable symptoms in the strongest lit of his Jutient's disease, conceives firm hope of his pored recovery.—Now Mr..Speaker, if we set before us an image or representation of those listempers wc stand iuvironeil withal, there :uuld not possibly be that extreme danger in iliein, but that there might be good hopes of a ^peedy recovery ; hud we kept close and conitant to those grounds of religion, laws and uiiitary discipline, which have been noted by ilie wisest legislators, to have been the main •ause, next under God, of the strength and duration of a state.—But, sir, if we examine it, how have our very foundations been shaken? What superstition and innovations have been brought in upon our religion, of late times, by ambitious, heady, and passionate men? And from this fountain, originally, as I conceive, (lows most part of our present distractions. Queen Elizabeth, of sacred and precious memory to thu nation, keeping stedfast and con

lated by illegal taxations, imprisonments, monopolies, and other pressures, whereby the subject hath been prosecuted and grieved? But this is so obvious to every man's understanding and sense, that I shall not insist upon it.—Mr. Speaker, I come next to our Military Discipline; and how hath this ground of strength been shaken, partly by the loss of able and experienced commanders in fruitless, if . not dangerous, attempts abroad; and partly by neglect, and not duly keeping up our musters at home?—Mr. Speaker, every man may lay it as lightly to heart as he pleases; but I shall be bold to tell you, that all the laws, that we have or shall make for the defence of our religion or liberties, without provident care in this particular, will be but like to sumptuous and glorious struc tures without roof or covering, subject to all weather and storms that shall arise; and whatever parliaments shall, with great wisdom and providence, plant for the good estate of future times, without due provisions for our Military Defence, may be soon cut down again by the violence and malice of a stronger sword.—Therefore, Mr. Speaker, as you have taken a provident care for the securing of the huven3 and port-towns, so I desire there may be timely consideration, had of the inland strength of the kingdom; and that musters, in all counties of the kingdom, be carefully (especially in these perilous times) kept up; and that care be taken that every county may have a sufficient proportion of powder, and other provision, for their necessary defence. That all commands may rest in faithful hands; and that certificates of the true state of all things, how they stand for defence, may, from time to time be sent cither to the council of war you appoint for Ireland, or to any other, whom the parliament shall think meet; and thereupon to take order, from time to time, to supply all defects, as well of captains, as of munition, powder, and other necessaries.—Mr. Speaker, this point is more a O a

timely to be had in consideration, because our perils will increase, as foreign states settle and compose their affairs to their best advantage: and therefore I shall desire that our quietness may not rest any longer upon so tickle a ground as the unquietness of our neighbour kingdoms; I for no state stands firm and secure, but upon its own foundations.—There is one thing more with which I will conclude; and I shall humbly represent it as, in my weak opinion, a great cause of our growing distemper: this is the abundance of humours we have stirred, and not purged away, which arc but fit fuel for fresh fire to take hold of, if it should burst forth; therefore as there be great numbers in this state, ' Qui psenft, a calamitate puhlica, impunitatem sibi spondent,' I shall make it my humble motion and desire, That we make severe examples of some few of the most capital offenders; and either pardon the meaner delinquents, if justice will admit thereof, or at least to let them, in some reasonable time, know what they may trust to; otherwise as many as look desperately upon their own fortunes, will be too ready to give their vote for troubles, and seek their own peace in the public disturbance; the number of whom, as I conceive, should be warily prevented, especially in these times of increasing distraction.—Sir, I have troubled you too long; and am not so inconsiderate but to object to myself, that some things are of more instant and present consideration than any thing I have touched upon; as your sending provisions for Ireland: but I desire, as those affairs are in some measure settled in a way, wc may timely apply ourselves to the root and causes of our distempers; begin with those of most importance; and so proceed with them to effect.

Progress of the Rebellion in Ireland.'] Nov. 11. This day a Letter was read in the lords, from the Council of Ireland, shewing, That the Protestants there would be utterly destroyed, and that kingdom cut off from the crown of England, if present supply of men, ammunition and money were not sent from hence: that the rebels proceeded in their rebellion, and had seized on the houses, estates and persons of divers men and women of good quality, nnd have murdered many: that they are gath rod, in several parts of Ireland, to the number of 30,000, and threaten that they will not leave an English Protestant there; and that t < y will not lay down their arms, until an act of parliament be passed for freedom of their religion : that the Council desire a speedy Supply of 10,000 men with arms, and 100,000/. in money.

Nov. 11. Several Resolutions were passed, in both houses, on this intelligence; the number of forces to he sent were augmented to 10,000 foot and 2000 horse; likewise the parliament of Scotland were to be desired to have in readiness 10,000 men more, to be transported to Ireland, on occasion. The letter from thence was ordered to be communicated to the city of London, and to he forthwith

printed and published. The house of demons voted, that 200,000/. should be nisi for the suppressing this liebellion, for the *• curity of this kingdom, and for the payment a debts.

The Impeached Bishops put in tlitir Pii.j The same day the commons received a nitsage from the lords, importing, That this bet.: the day for the 13 Bishops to etve in Aim? to their Impeachment; 12 of them had gite in a plea and a demurrer; hut that Gtxfc, bishop of Gloucester, had pleaded not giua, in modo & forma.

The Jjoudoners agree to lend Monty la retain Conditions.] Nov. 13. A Report To made to the commons, " That the coroirmtH. appointed to go to the city, found a great on of readiness in them to lend money, on the security offered: but before they did lend at1, they humbly proposed, 1st, That tbcmoKi should be paid us soon as the act was pat*i. 2dly, That, by reason of the privileges ot la members of both houses, and the protect; s granted, especially by the lords, a vast sum i< money is detained from them; so that uau cannot he driven, nor are they so able to led money for the service of the commonaoaiti, as they desired. Sdly, They said they »a» sensible of the miseries of the Protcstanrs a Ireland, and of the power of the Papists that; and therefore did press, with much caroesness, that the persons of the Papists lords, an! other persons of quality here in England, rats!: be secured; lest some design he in them hot. as they have cause to fear. Next, That there were divers laws and good motions sent up' the lords, for the good of the church and ct*monwealth; and that the great, impedum'5' that they passed not there, was from the 1 shops; and they did conceive, That so loo: s> their votes were in parliament it would ho hindrance to ill good laws; and thereforer1'siicd further endeavours to take away thet votes."

Mr. Serjeant Wylde reported from tlicccTmittce appointed to examine into the pleaasi demurrer of the 12 Bishops, "That after i long debate and various opinions, tbey had tt last concluded, that they were dilatory and itsufficient; and that the 12 Bishops had mat' no Answer: therefore to desire the lords tta the Bishops he ordered to put in a pererapt<>7 Answer, such as they will stand to."

Informations of Plots.] Nov. 15. Thcr"liament was this day put in great consternation, by the Information of one Beal, a tad* of a dangerous Plot of the Papists, again* t 'f lives of several members of both houses, f* deposition of this man is, at length, in d* Lords' Journals; and was so far believed, tt11 all necessary precaution was taken to nuke' farther discovery and prevent the danger: w' no persons being found that were named to be concerned in it, we hear no more oft" matter.

Nov. 16. Other informations were sen"? to the parliament from Cheshire and

cashire, of the designs of the Papists in those counties. Upon all which, an ordinance of parliament for putting the Trained Bands of the kingdom in a posture of defence, was read ind agreed to by botli bouses. An ordinance nas also made to authorise the earl of Essex to be lord lieutenant on the south side Trent, ind the earl of Holland on the north; and the house of commons, particularly, ordered a >uard of halberts to be set in convenient places, lor the security of their house.

Nov. 17. Several witnesses were examined before the commons, after which it was resolved, " That there is sufficient evidence for this bouse to believe, that there was a second design to bring up the Army against the Parliament, and an intention to make the Scots irmy stand neuter."

Debates in the Commons, concerning a Remonstrance on the State of the Kingdom."] Nov. 11. The commons fell briskly oh their Declara:ion or Remonstrance. A long debate ensued on the keeping in, or leaving out, several clauses, expressions, and words in it; in which there we no less than four divisions of the house, [n the two last of them, the question being mt, Whether this Declaration, so amended, ihall pass? it was carried, for passiug 159, igainst 148. And, in another question, Wheher the word 'published' should stand in :he order for the not printing the Declaration, he Noes were 124, Yeas 101. But it was ^solved, "That this Declaration shall not be printed without the particular order of this Muse."

We nod a speech of sir Edward Djering's ipon this occasion; who, though he had signaled himself against the court, in the beguiling of this session, yet was equally zealous igainst this Declaration. This speech, being rcry long, and printed in Rushwortb, Nalson, ind sir Edwards own Collections*, wc cursorily pass over to avoid prolixity: But the following passages are too remarkable to be Jraitted.

'Mr. Speaker; This Remonstrance, whensoever it passeth, will make such an impression, uid leave such a character behind, both of his majesty, the people, the parliament, and of this present church and state, as no time shall ever cat out, whilst histories are written, and men have eyes to read them. How curious then jught we be, both in the matter and the form? Herein is a severe point of conscience to be tried; let us be sure that every particular substance be a truth; and let us clothe that truth with a free language, yet a modest and a sober language.—Air. Speaker, this Remonstrance is, m some kind, greater and more extensive than an act of parliament: that reachcth only to England arid Wales; but, in this, the three kingdoms will be your immediate supervisors: and the greatest -part of Christendom will quickly borrow the glass to

* Printed for F. Eglesfield and J. Stafford, 1641,

see our deformities therein; they will scan this work at leisure, which, I hope, we shall not shut up in haste. Some pieces here arc of excellent use and worth: but what is that to me, if I may not have them without other parts that are both doubtful and dangerous? The matter^ form, aud final end of this Remonstrance, alt of them do argue with me, not to remonstrate thus. When I first heard of a Remonstrance, I presently imagined that, like faithful counsellors, wc should hold up a glass to his majesty: I did not dream we should remonstrate downwards, tell stories to the people, and talk of the king as of a third person. The use and end of such a Remonstrance, I understand not; at least I hope I do not.'—He then proceeds to the religious Grievances recited in the Declaration, vindicates several of the Bishops aud Clergy by name, and concludes thus: 'I do beseecn you all with the fervor of an earnest heart, a heart almost divided between hopes and fears, never to suffer diversion or diminution of the rents we have for learning and re-v ligion: but, besides the pulpit, let us maintain an universal militia of Theology, whereby we may be always ready and able (by strength of our own, within our own happy island at home) to stop the mouth of all errors and heresies that can arise. Never, never, let it he said that sacred learning (for such is that I plead for) shall, in one essential half thereof, be quite unprovided for in England. Sir, I have reason to be earnest in this: I see, I know, great designs drawing another way; and my tears are increased not cured by this Declaration. Thus I have done: and because I shall want champions for true Religion: because I neither look for cure of our complaints from the common people, nor do desire to be cured by them: because this house (as, under favour, I conceive) hath not recommended all the heads of this Remonstance to the committee which brought if in: because it is not true that the Bishops have commanded Idolatry: because I do not know any necessarv good end and use of this Declaration, but do Tear a bad one; and because we pass his majesty and do remonstrate to the people: I do here discharge my vote with a clear conscience, and must say Ao to this strange Remonstrance'

Lord Clurendon's Account of the above Debate. J Lord Clarendon, who distinguished himselt in this affair, under the name, then, of Mr. Hyde, has given us the following abstract of the debate upon it.—" It contained a verv bitter representation of all the illegal things which had been done from the first hour of the king's coming to the crown, to that minute; with all the sharp reflections which could be mudc upon the king himself, the queen and council; and published all the unreasonable jealousies of the present government, of the introducing Popery; and all other particulars that might disturb the minds of the people, which were enough discomposed. The house seemed generally to disbke it, many saying, 'That it was very dressed, and the liberty and property of the subject being as well secured for the future as could possibly be done; and unseasonable, after the king had gratified them with granting every thing which they had desired of him; and, after so long absence in the settling the disorders in another kingdom, which he had happily composed, to be now welcomed home with such a volume of reproaches for what others had done amiss, and which he himself had reformed'. Notwithstanding all which, all the other party appeared passionately concerned that il might not be rejected, and enlarged themselves with as high expressions against the government as at first; with many insinuations, 'That we were in danger of being deprived of all the good acts which we had gained, if great care and vigilance were not used to disappoint some counsels which were stiil entertained;' making some doubtful glances and reflections upon the rebellion in Ireland, with which they perceived many good men were easily amused; and, in the end, preyailed, 'That a day should be appointed, when the house should be resolved into a committee Of the whole house, and the Remonstrance to be then retaken into consideration:' and, in the mean time, they employed all their credit and interest with particular men, to persuade them, 'That the passing that Remonstrance was most necessary for the preservation and maintenance of all those good laws, which they had already made;' giving several reasons to several persons, according to their natures and inclinations; assuring many, 'That they intended it only for the mortification of the Court, and manifestation that that malignant party, which appeared to he growing up in the house, could not prevail; and then, That it should remain still in the clerk's hands, and never be published. And, by these and the like arts, they promised themselves, that they should easily carry it: so that the day it was to he resumed, they entertained the house all tKe morning with other debates, and, towards noon, called for the Remonstrance; and it being urged by some, ' That it was too late to enter upon it,' with much difficulty they consented, • That it should be entered upon the next morning, at 9 of the clock, anil every clause should he debated, the Speaker in the chair;' for they would not have the house resolved into a committee, which they believed would spend too much time. Oliver CromucV, xv ho nt that time was little taken notice of. asked the lord Falkland, ' Why he would have it put off, for that day would quickly have determined it? he answered, ' There would not have been time ciio'igh; for sure it would take some debate.' The other replied, ' A very sorry one:' They supposing, by the computation they had made, that very few would oppose it. But he quickly found he was mistaken; for, the next rooming, the debate being entered upon about 9 of the clock, it continued all that day; a#d

unnecessary and unseasonable; unnecessary, candles being called for when it grew dark (noall those grievances being already fully re- ther side being very desirous to adjourn til! de

next day, though it was evident very many wk drew themselves o it of pure faintness and debility to attend the conclusion) the debate cuatinued till it was after IS of the clock, with rasa passion; and the house being then divided upon the passing or not passing it, it was camel in the affirmative by 9 voices, and no more * And, as soon as it was declared, Mr. Haropdt; moved, ' That there might be an Order entered for the present printing it,' which produced] sharper debate than the former. It append then, that they did not intend to send it up u the house of peers for their concurrence; tH that it was, upon the matter, an Appeal tout People, and to infuse jealousies into their amk It had seldom been the custom to publish stf debates or determinations of the bouse, whki were not lirst regularly transmitted to tit house of iieers; nor was it fbought, in tmi, that the house had authority to give warna for the printing of any thing; all which was* fered hy Mr. Hyde, with some warmth, as son as the motion was made for printing it; and ht said,' He believed the printing it, in that turner, was not law ful, and he feared it wctH produce mischievous effects; and therefore it sired the leave of the house, that if the qoe1tion should be put, and be carried in the affirmative, he might have liberty to enter ba protestation;' which he no sooner said, tlaa Jeffrey Palmer, a man of great reputation, m much esteemed in the house, stood up si-: made the same motion for himself, 'That !* might likewise protest.' Many afterwards,« nut distinction, and in some disorder, cried ost, together, 'They did protest;' so that thert was, after, scarce any quiet and regular debate: But the house, by degrees, being qutfed, they all consented, about 2 of the. doit a the morning, to adjourn till Q the next afternoon. And as they went out of the housed lord Falkland asked OliverCroniwell,' Whttitr there had been a debate?' to which he anwed, 'He would take his word another tinf-' and whispered him in the ear, with some iseveration, 'That, if the Remonstrance been rejected, he would have sold all lie fc* the next morning, and never have seen Enjbu* more; and he knew there were many nibs honest men of the same resolution.' Kb>1worth says. ' That this debnte lasted from 'i J the afternoon till 3 the next morning; so tin! one said, ' It looked like the verdict oH'tale* ed Jury."

The King orders the Parliament's Gearitek dismissed.] Nov. '26. The lord keeper acquired the lords, That he had received a conwaind from the king to tell them, "That his majesty had heard both houses had appointed Guar'.' to attend them for their security, in his ahstuce, which "he presumes they had reasons for; te now, upon his return, he hopes his pres£3« will be a protection to them: And ibcnHuiv

* By the Journals, the majority was II.

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