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I, therefore, think that we should await the discussion of the report of the Committee on Life-Saving Systems and Devices.
Mr. VERNEY (Siam). Mr. President, I desire to make one remark not only as regards this amendment but as regards all of the amendments which have been put over until the reports have been put on the table. I would ask the Conference what that means? Surely the fact that it has been laid over and put on the table means that the members of the Conference should have an opportunity of reading the report before they discuss the amendment, otherwise what is the use of referring any amendment until the report of the committee is laid on the tableI have not bad the opportunity which the learned first delegate from Great Britain has had of reading through any of these reports, and I do, therefore, support the proposition of the gallant delegate from France, not only as regards this amendment, but as regards any amend. ment which was deferred until the report had been laid on the table, and I hope that the common sense of that proposal will commend itself to this Conference.
Mr. GOODRICH (United States). Mr. President, personally I have not the slightest objection to assenting to laying over the consideration of this amendment until some future day. I only wanted to occupy the time of the Conference, if we had no other business before us.
Mr. VERNEY (Siam). Mr. President, I sincerely hope that this will not in any way waste our time, because I think we have before us an enormous mass of material with which our time can be occupied.
The PRESIDENT. The delegate from France moves to postpone the consideration of this amendment for forty-eight hours, and then to bave it considered with the report of the Committee on Life Såving Systems and Devices.
Mr. GOODRICH (United States). Mr. President, I think that instead of being postponed for forty-eight hours, it had better be laid over until Monday, because a certain day had better be fixed for its consid. eration.
Captain RICHARD (France). Mr. President, I have no objection to that. I simply demand that the forty-eight hour rule be observed.
Mr. HALL (Great Britain). Mr. President, might I suggest that the forty-eight hours would elapse, and we need not sit to-morrow, but could sit on Saturday! So far as I can see we shall bave nothing at all to do this week if we lay over this amendment until Monday. I do not seo why we could not sit on Saturday, and do a day's work. We shall not have anything to do to-morrow.
Mr. GOODRICH (United States). Mr. President, I shall not be able to be in attendance on the Conference on Saturday, and I would like to be heard on this proposition before it is decided.
Captain MENSING (Germany). Mr. President, I would like to point out that the time would not be entirely wasted. Committee No. 3 have before it a large amount of work, and have been given very little time in.
deed for its work. There has not been sufficient time for the Secretary and Chairman of the committee to enable them to get on with their part of the work. If the Conference will adjourn we would find the time; and, I dare say, it would not be found to be lost time.
The PRESIDENT. Tie delegate for the United States proposes to put off this discussion of the amendment and the report of the committee connected with it until Monday. Is the Conference ready for the ques. tion upon that motion ?
The question was put to the Conference upon the motion to postpone the consideration of the proposed new section until Monday, and the motion was carried.
Mr. HALL (Great Britain). Mr. President, might I point out that although it is most desirable that wherever time is desired all possible time should be extended, yet of course we have the power to discuss any subject by unanimous consent at once? I quite understand that the gallant delegate from France pointed this out, because he thinks that the principle ought not to be established; but I do not apprehend that any one at this table requires any more time to consider this question of the standing-by rule, which is the amendment of the learned delegate from the United States. We have really nothing to go on with except this, unless some delegate really wants time to consider the matter, we might, by unanimous con nt, agree to discuss it now.
I think I am right in saying that my gallant friend, the delegate from France, did not make this motion with regard to this particular rule, but it was more in order to guard against matters being discussed without our having time to consider them. The Conference, therefore, by unanimous consent, could agree to discuss the amendment of the delegate from the United States and proceed with the discussion of it at once, unless any delegate wishes more time to consider it. I certainly will not propose it if there is any dissenting voice, but not hearing any,
I would suggest that we can take this amendment at once and discuss it. This matter has been before us for a long time, and I apprehend that all of us have made up our minds on the point, one way or the other. I would move, therefore, Mr. President, that the discussion of the amendment of the learned delegate from the United States be proceeded with now, notwithstanding any rule to the contrary which has been adopted by the Conference.
Mr. GOODRICH (United States). What does the delegate from France sayt
Captain RICHARD (France). Mr. President, we have heard our learned colleague from Great Britain, with his persuasive eloquence, tell us that he desired to make no exception, but he, notwithstanding, immediately thereafter proposed to violate the rules which govern our dis. cussions. The reasons which he gave us were so strong that I myself felt fully convinced as to the propriety of adopting the measure which be advocates. But if to-day we depart from the rule, there will be noth
ing to prevent us from departing from it subsequently, and that is why I demand that the rule be strictly followed.
Mr. HALL (Great Britain). Mr. President, I will only point out that we have on several occasions, where matters have come up when it was not necessary to wait forty-eight hours, dealt with them at once, when it was the general sense of the Conference that we could discuss them immediately. I centainly should not propose it unless it would appear to everybody that we could discuss it without any harm to any one at all. We have done this frequently. We have discussed cases absolutely in principle without waiting for the delay of forty-eight hours.
The PRESIDENT, The delegate from Great Britain proposes to discuss the amendment of the delegate from the United States at the present time, if there be no objection on the part of any member of the Conference. If the Chair hears any objection on the part of any member of the Conference the question will not be proceeded with.
Captain RICHARD (France). Mr. President, I still have the same ob. jection, namely, that the proposition is directly contrary to the rule. If we infringe the rule for any reason which we may present, though the same may be overwhelining, we will violate the rule every time. I think that we should abide, as I said before, by our rule, and not introduce alterations into it. The amendment which is suggested to us for discussion will not, I think, lead to a long discussion. In our committee we were unanimous upon its subject, and I hope that this unanimity will be shared by the Conference.
Consequently my objection is absolutely an objection to violating the rule; if we violate it to-day we will again do so later.
Mr. HALL (Great Britain). Mr. President, I withdraw my proposi. tion, as it is opposed by the gallant delegate from France.
The PRESIDENT. The proposition is withdrawn, and the discussion of the amendment will be postponed.
Admiral KAZNAKOFF (Russia). Mr. President, if it is decided to postpone it until Monday, can we not begin on Monday earlier and sit later, so that, instead of sitting four hours a day, we may work for five or six hours a day 1
Mr. GOODRICH (United States). Mr. President, I do not know why the suggestion of the learned delegate from Great Britain might not be adopted, and that the Conference proceed and read the report of Committee No. 2.
The PRESIDENT. The delegate from France has just objected to the consideration of any report until sufficient time has been given to the delegates to consider and read it.
Mr. Flood (Norway). Mr. President, during our last meeting I took the liberty to ask permission to lay before the Conference a resolution intended to be a modest supplement to the report given by the committee on General Division 13 of the programme. During the discussion on that subject I, however, found that I must have been very
much misunderstood, or perhaps I should say that I had not been able to use proper or happy words to make myself understood. After a short discussion of this subject I, therefore, asked leave to withdraw my 1esolution, and asked the Chair to permit me to bring in an amendment or another resolution at the next meeting, -I said on Friday. But now we have come together to-day, and as it does not seem that there are many urgent things on the table, and as we are all very anxious to make the work as quick and as easy as possible, so as to get through at a reasonable time, I would ask that my resolution be considered. I bave, with the assistance of my learned friends the delegates from Denmark and others, tried to draw a resolution which I beg to lay before the Conference to-day. I would say that if the Conference are willing to discuss the matter at once, we are most willing to do so. The matter
ably laid before the Conference at the last session, that I do not think there is any necessity for spending much time in the discussion. I therefore, ask your permission, Mr. President, to lay this resolution before the Conference, to be read by the Secretary.
The PRESIDENT. The resolution of the delegate from Norway will be read by the Secretary.
The resolution is as follows:
" The report of the Committee on General Division 13, on the Dstab. lishment of a Permanent International Marine Commission, having been adopted by the Conference, it is further resolved that the Conference recommend that the advisability of a Bureau of Maritime Information be considered by the governments of maritime nations."
The PRESIDENT. The resolution is before the Conference.
Captain MENSING (Germany). Mr. President, I would like to ask for information whether this bureau is to be one in which information may be sought regarding the dangers of navigation? If so, then I would like to point out that it would be proper to discuss this proposition when the report on General Division 11 is laid before the Conference. It will come up and be discussed in committee, I suppose, to-day, and as the honorable delegate from Norway is a member of this committee he will certainly have every facility given to him to explain his plan, and then we will act upon it.
The PRESIDENT. Does the delegate from Norway desire to await the report of the committee just mentioned by the delegate from Germany before his resolution is discussed and put upon its passage?
Mr. FLOOD (Norway). Mr. President, of course I am very willing to have any time given to consider this matter, but I would simply say that our idea of the bureau of information was ably pointed out by Governor Garde, the delegate from Denmark, at our last meeting. There was to be a general bureau of information, which would be of interest to sea-faring mankind in general. So, as we already have before us the report on General Division 13, I thought that the right moment had come to have this subject discussed and to have an
expression for or against it from the Conference, together with this re. port on General Division 13. Of course, when I offered to bave it discussed to-day it was simply to get an expression of opinion from the Conference in regard to the matter, and to show our willingness to do what we could to facilitate business, so that it should not be said that we ran this in at the last moment, and that we intended to detain the Conference with it. I understood that there was not much for discus sion to-day, and I think we could fill out a few moments of our time in hearing my resolution and in giving us a few moments to further explain what we mean by this bureau.
Mr. HALL (Great Britain). Mr. President, I see no reason why we should not discuss this. We have discussed it for half a day already, and I think that all of us have formed our own opinions on the subject. I do not think it is necessary to postpone it. We have nothing to go on with at present unless we take tbis up, because we shall not get the further report of the Committee on Lights until nearly midday, although we have the proof in our hands.
Tbe PRESIDENT. The Chair understands that the committee, when they do receive the report, wish to consider it before they lay it before the Conference. Does the delegate from Germany, Captain Mensing, make any motion with reference to this resolution !
Captain MENSING (Germany). No, sir; I do not make any motion with regard to it.
The PRESIDENT. The Chair will state that the report of the Committee on Lights, with reference to the motion of the delegate from Norway, will not be read to-day at all. The Secretary bas just informed me that the report will not be ready. The chairman of the committee says that the committee will have to meet before they can lay the report upon this amendment before the Conference.
Mr. Hall. (Great Britain). Mr. President, then I propose that it would be desirable to take that up to-morrow, and not to-day, if that be the case, and to take up the resolution of the delegate from Norway to-day. That will give us something to occupy our time.
The PRESIDENT. The resolution of the delegate from Norway is now before the Conference.
Mr. GARDE (Denmark). Mr. President, may I be permitted to say a few words as to the proposal of the honorable delegate from Norway! I will say that it is only necessary for me to make a very few remarks, as I have already explained the view I took of this natter at our last meeting. Of course I will not detain the Conference longer than is necessary, so I will not repeat what I have already said. I will only remind you that during the discussion of the report on General Division 13, which was proposed by the committee, the estab. lishment of this bureau was opposed. I suppose that the reason for doing so was that it was understood that the commission should be a permanent commission; and I, therefore, explained that what we