The question being taken, a division was called, which resulted as follows: Ayes, thirty-three; noes, forty.

So the motion was not agreed to.

Mr. MANN. Mr. Chairman: This section which I have offered will be found on page 375 of the Journal. It was not printed along with the report of the committee on account of a recommendation the committee made, that it should be submitted to a separate vote of the people; and the President of the Convention

ruled that that recommendation took it

away from the balance of the report, so it is not printed in connection with the article submitted by the committee. But this section, which I now move to adopt, was agreed upon in committee and reported by the chairman, and although I make this motion now, in the absence of the chairman of the committee, I do not make it upon my own individual suggestion. It is the deliberate action of the committee of which I was a member. I admit it is the proposition which I submitted to the committee for consideration, but it became as much a part of their report as any section that they have passed upon, and, Mr. Chairman, I hold it to be as important as any section which the committee of the whole has had under consideration.

It is certain the people of this Commonwealth think it quite as important as any other section. More petitions have been presented asking for the adoption of this section, or some section of a similar character, than for anything else, or for all the other purposes which have been asked for by the people, and I believe that there is more interest throughout the Commonwealth, raised now in the passage of this section, or some similar one, than for anything else we are likely to adopt. It is a subject that has engaged the attention of more people, and will receive a more hearty and enthusiastic endorsement than anything else we shall do. Upon many subjects which we have passed upon there is a great diversity of opinion among even good men as to the wisdom of our action, and there will be a like diversity of opinion after we have closed our labors, among good men, as to the propriety of what we shall have accomplished; but upon this question I believe, there is no diversity in the opinion of good men of this Commonwealth as to the necessity of a provision of this kind. I do not say that the precise language of the report of the com

mittee will meet the approval of all interested in this subject, but what I do say, there will be more unanimity in endorsing our action, on the part of good men and women of this Commonwealth, upon this section, than upon any other which shall be presented for their consideration. I do not know that this is a consideration that ought to commend itself to the committee in the adoption of this report, yet lieve that the adoption of this section will I think it ought to have some effect. I bebring to the support of the Constitution, which we shall submit, great additional strength, and that it will call out in its support, and engage the attention of a class of people who will not be brought out in support of any other provision. This much as to the reason, necessity and proPriety of giving this subject á candid and deliberate attention. Now, a few words as to the merits of this proposition. I think, from the interest which it has received, and which has manifested itself throughout the Commonwealth, there mitting it to the people of the State. I can be no doubt of the advisability of subthat it is within the knowledge of every repeat but a trite saying when I allege intelligent delegate upon this floor, that this section proposes to strike at an evil of greater magnitude than all the others we have been discussing. I do not say that this section furnishes a remedy for this evil, but I do say that it aims to furnish a remedy, and if I shall have time I will give some reasons in support of my belief that it will furnish a remedy, to some extent, for the evils of intemperance.

I believe I would be speaking within the bounds of truth, if I alleged that the evils sought to be remedied are greater than all the evils we have been discussing; that it is the source of a large share of the corruption, which we have been discussing, in legislative bodies, and that without the use of stimulants and intoxicating drinks, which are brought to bear upon members of Congress and members of the Legislature, no such corruption could get into these bodies as we have been deploring and attempting to remedy. 1 assert that the use of intoxicating drinks is at the bottom and is the source of a large proportion of this corruption. We have been manifesting great anxiety that we should furnish a remedy for the demoralization which is going on in the legislative bodies. That remedy will be found more certainly in banishing from the use of members intoxicating drinks,

In the little experience which I have had myself in legislative bodies, I have known a number of the brightest and most influential minds entirely to lose their usefulness and public worth by the use of intoxicating drinks. Hence they not only lost their influence in those bodies, but were altogether demoralized, and were not only useless but were a hindrance and were the means of bringing about bad legislation, if not corruption. I have known individuals in the Legislature at Harrisburg, in earnest sympathy with all the good movements of the day, in favor of honest legislation, opposed to all corrupt influences, opposed to all demoralizing influences that are brought to bear upon the Legislature, and their first step downward was to enter the saloon or parlor where intoxicating drinks were furnished and become addicted to them, and have fastened upon them an appetite which they could not control, and their complete demoralization soon followed. I have no doubt every individual who has ever been in such legislative bodies can refer to numerous instances of the same kind. And it is not only there, it is everywhere, that it is the first step downward in the path of every promising young man who loses his integrity and position, And, mind you, Mr. Chairman, this influence spares neither the high nor, the low. It is just as apt to seize upon the most prominent and most amiable young man, with all the good qualities of human nature in him, as any other,

the generous, whole-souled man that is more liable to this temptation, and more in danger of being ruined by it than the more cautious and less susceptible; and the social influences that are brought to bear upon him are almost irresistible. - Mr. WRIGHT. Mr. Chairman: Will the gentleman from Potter yield to a motion that the committee rise?

Mr. MANN. Certainly.

Mr. WRIGHT. Mr. Chairman: I move and ask leave to sit again. that the committee rise, report progress

This was agreed to,

The committee rose and the President resumed his chair.

IN CONVENTION.

mittee of the whole, reported that the Mr. ARMSTRONG, chairman of the comcommittee had further considered the report of the Committee on Legislation, and had instructed him to report progress, with a request that the committee be allowed to sit again.

On the question, shall the committee of the whole have leave to sit again, it was determined in the affirmative.

On the question, when shall the committee of the whole have leave to sit, to-morrow was named and agreed upon.

Mr. BROOMALL. Mr. President: I move the Convention do now adjourn.

This was agreed to, and at two o'clock and fifty-five minutes, P. M., the Convention adjourned until to-morrow at ten o'clock A. M.

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cense section now under consideration, within one hour after the Convention goes into committee of the whole to-day.

The question being, shall the Convention proceed to the second reading and consideration of the resolution, it was not agreed to.

SPEAKING TO THE QUESTION.

IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. The Convention then resolved itself into a committee of the whole, Mr. Armstrong in the chair, for the further consideration of the report of the Committee on Legislation.

The CHAIRMAN. The question pending before the committee is the motion of the

Resolved, That the chairman of the committee of the whole be authorized and required to call any member to order who, in the judgment of the Chair, may not be speaking to the point or question before the Convention.

The PRESIDENT. The Chair would observe that this resolution seems to be wholly unnecessary. The chairman of the committee of the whole has now that authority. Perhaps it would be as well if that resolution were withdrawn.

Mr. S. A. PURVIANCE. Mr. President: It may be true that the chairman of the committee of the whole may have that power, but it is found that it is not exercised; at least that has been our past experience.

Mr. DARLINGTON. Mr. President: Must it not lie over one day under the rules?

The question being upon the motion of Mr. S. A. Purviance, it was not agreed to.

A PRIVILEGED QUESTION. Mr. HOWARD. Mr. President: I rise to a question of privilege. I see in the Public Ledger of this morning the following: "Mr. HOWARD moved to amend the next section, by adding a provision that no attorney, agent or employee of any private corporation should be a member of the Legislature. Not agreed to."

I did not offer any such provision as that. No doubt the Ledger means to publish statements that are correct and fair, but they have undertaken to abridge a proposition that I offered, and have wholly destroyed the idea that I intended by that amendment. The amendment is in the hands of the Clerk, and if they wish to see it they can ascertain what it is. But this certainly is not what I offered.

LEGISLATION.

Mr. D. N. WHITE. Mr. President: I move that the Convention now resolve itself into committee of the whole, on the article reported by the Committee on Legislation.

It was agreed to.

add a new section at the end of the article. Upon this motion the gentleman from Potter (Mr. Mann) has the floor. The section will be read.

The CLERK read:'

"No license shall be granted to sell vinous, spirituous or malt liquors, or any admixture thereof, or any other intoxicating drinks; and any sale of such liquors, except for mechanical, medicinal or sacramental purposes, shall be a misdemeanor."

Mr. MANN. Mr. Chairman: I give way to a motion to be made by the gertleman from Fayette (Mr. Kaine.)

Mr. KAINE. Mr. Chairman: I move to re-consider the vote by which the twenty-fourth section was adopted.

The CHAIRMAN. How did the gentleman vote?

Mr. KAINE. I voted in the affirmative. Mr. WHERRY. Mr. Chairman: I second the motion; I voted in the affirmative, also.

Mr. HAY. Mr. Chairman: I would ask whether it is in order to do this while we are considering another section?

The CHAIRMAN. It would not be in order if the gentleman from Potter (Mr. Mann) had not given way.

Mr. HAY. But I understand the section is not withdrawn from consideration; yet we are going to re-consider another section. The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is well taken, if it is insisted upon.

Mr. HAY. I can see no reason why the amendment should not be withdrawn, in order to allow the re-consideration.

Mr. DARLINGTON. The gentleman from Potter (Mr. Mann) might withdraw his amendment for the purpose.

The CHAIRMAN. It is under consideration, and unless by unanimous consent it be withdrawn, the point of order will be sustained. [After a pause.] The gentleman from Potter (Mr. Mann) will proceed.

Mr. MANN. Mr. Chairman: I desire again to call the attention of gentlemen to the fact that this section, as now proposed to be adopted, is identical with the recommendation of the report of the Com

mittee on Legislation, and that committee reported that this section be submitted to a separate vote of the people of the Commonwealth; and, so far as I know, the friends of this proposition expect, and are willing, that this section shall take that course. I want to make this additional remark, that it is in the power, under the rules as we have now adopted them, of any forty-five delegates to require it to take that course; but for myself and those friends with whom I am acting, so far as I know, we expect to agree with other gentlemen, and have it take that course without exception or objection. That was the course recommended by the committee, and being a member of the committee, I propose to be governed by it. With this preliminary statement, I will now offer a few additional reasons why I think this section ought to be so submitted to the people.

When the committee rose, yesterday, I was speaking of the magnitude of the evil, or evils, which the friends of this proposition expect to remove, in part, by its adoption. I do not propose to discuss these evils in their higher form. In the few remarks I have to make this morning, I propose to confine myself to the lowest view of that question. There are other gentlemen on this floor who will discuss the moral phase of the question, and who will point out the moral evils, the degradation and misery caused by intemperance. I will, myself, simply look at it in its lowest aspect, as it bears on the business of the community, and of the evils that it brings upon us in that respect.

And, first, I ask you just to take a glance at the loss of property, at the vast amount of accidents in all departments of business, which the excessive use of intoxicating drinks occasions. You cannot name a single business interest-there is not one industry carried on within this Commonwealth, that the excessive use of intoxicating drinks does not seriously injure. It is constantly occasioning loss of property and loss of life. Fires, railroad accidents, and all the accidents with which the community are affected in their interests, are greatly increased by the excessive use of intoxicating drinks. Losses at sea, destruction of life and property upon the ocean, are very largely increased by it. There is no intelligent gentleman who would entrust his family in a carriage, upon a simple dirt road, with a driver who was partly intoxicated. It would be unsafe for such a man to take charge of a

family upon the plainest and broadest road in the Commonwealth; much less would a gentleman trust himself or family upon a railroad train with an intoxicated engineer, or upon a vessel with a captain who was addicted to the use of intoxicating liquor to a great degree. He certainly would not, if he were aware of it. Accidents to life and property at sea are largely attributed to the use of intoxicating drinks. I had a little experience of that kind myself, and very serious I deemed it at the time. It may not seem very serious to some, but I considered it very serious, indeed; I refer to it simply because it is one of thousands.

In the fall of 1838, when I was a mere boy, I had occasion to make a trip from this city to Galveston, in Texas. While upon the Gulf of Mexico, the vessel in which I took passage was met, as many others are, by one of those tropical storms that come up suddenly, without any warning, and it was so severe that the cargo had to be thrown overboard in order to save the vessel, and the captain and mates thought it even required that the mast be cut away. The storm increasing, the captain and his men came to the conclusion that there was no possibility of saving the vessel, and when he cut away the mast he went to the cabin to drown his danger in the intoxicating bowl, and he and every sailor upon the vessel became intoxicated. The vessel was left to the mercy of the waves and the care of the passengers, none of whom had had any kind of experience in navigation. One of them, however, was plucky and energetic, and calling the other passengers about him, said: "The only possible chance of taking the vessel into harbor is for one of us to take command of it, and I propose to do it myself." He knew nothing whatever of navigation; but he threw out the anchors, and by some good chance they held the vessel. A very serious leak was soon sprung, however, and for four days and nights the captain and every seaman on that schooner lay drunk in the cabin and in their berths, and the passengers kept the vessel afloat by superhuman exertions in bailing with buckets, the pumps having entirely given out. At the end of the fourth day the captain, finding himself still alive, I suppose, sobered up and came on deck, and said, with an oath, "I will stop this leak," and in fifteen minutes he did so, and the vessel was floating on the water as easily as any vessel ever did. He got his sailors about him, fixed up a