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I think that what he was telling us was that it was a very, very difficult process.
I will say this to you as the Chairman of this subcommittee and one who has spent my entire adult life in politics and in the struggle for more self-government for my people and one who has lived through many, many changes, many changes that have brought more power to my people.
I say that we can change things. There is no question about that. I opened this hearing this morning by reading an Associated Press report that the President had signed the bill for Palau. We changed that situation. We stood up to the administration. We stood up to the other body as we call it back on Capitol Hill, and we made the changes that had to be made to preserve what we saw were crucial changes to preserve democracy in Palau and we can do the same thing for the people of Guam. We have to work together to do that.
[Applause.) Mr. DE LUGO. Yes. Mr. LUJAN. Could I respond to the professor's question? Mr. DE LUGO. Certainly. Mr. LUJAN. You pose the question, what can we do to persuade, to change the mind of this Congressman from the first district of South Carolina.
I don't know that we have any easy answer to that. As a professor, I think you have heard all the intellectual answers for the status question.
I thank the gentleman from American Samoa for giving that idea that we have to give you the responses that comes from the heart and let me just, from the questions you posed yesterday, just take one provision of the Commonwealth Act and that is the immigration question.
We need to control immigration into Guam. Guam is very unique. It is a small land area, a small population. The immigration laws were designed for a continent of over 200 million people-over 200 million people, and a vast land area.
We experienced during the Vietnam war when the military forces brought in over a 100,000 Vietnamese, doubling over night the population of Guam. We were scared. We were scared. So we need to have that control over immigration, Mr. Chairman, so that we can progress rationally. We need to do that, otherwise the Chamorros of Guam will disappear.
If you don't give us those provisions even if they are so controversion, Mr. Chairman, it will be a holocaust. It will be our holo caust, Mr. Chairman.
We as an ethnic group will disappear, I don't know, Mr. Chairman, whether that would move that Congressman from the first district of South Carolina, but that is the way I feel about that.
I don't know whether there is any easy answers
I want to say that in adding to what the gentleman from Puerto Rico has thus far stated in terms of the realities separate and apart from the ideal situation, in looking at the substance of the proposed commonwealth bill-correct me if I am wrong on this, Mr. Chairman, procedurally in terms of how Congress operates-each committee is very, very protective of its own particular turf and jurisdictions and because of the variety of substantive issues that are reflected in the bill, let me tell you, Armed Services Committee will want a look at it, Education and Labor will look at it, Judiciary Committee will want to look at it, the Ways and Means Committee will want to examine it, Foreign Affairs may want to look at it, Energy and Commerce Committee may want to look at it, Public Works and Transportation also may want to look at it, and the Merchant Marine and Fisheries Committee may want to examine it.
The point I make is we will have as many as eight or nine committees of Congress that will be saying, hey, we have a say in this. This is just on the House side.
Mr. DE LUGO. Just the House side, that is right.
Mr. FALEOMAVAEGA. Just the House side, so you see, I just want to reflect on what the gentleman from Puerto Rico is saying, in it is reality that we, as mentioned, are faced with.
Given the proposal the way it now stands, I would say that with all due respect to my Chairman, this is the kind of thing that he is going to be faced with when he meets with other committee chairmen, how we can best work on this.
By the time eight other committees review this, we don't know what will be the result of this because each committee exercises its own independence on how it may want to correct or say this may not exactly be what the people, the Chamorros may want.
I want to express that concern as expressed by the gentleman from Puerto Rico.
Mr. DE LUGO. I want to thank you for that observation, I say to the gentleman from American Samoa.
I just want to say we are having one hell of a hearing. [Applause.]
Mr. DE LUGO. We didn't come here to conduct any super official hearing and the record that is being made here today is a powerful record.
I said before and I will say it again, anyone who reads this record, anyone who was here and observed what took place yesterday and today, would have to be moved.
To tell you the truth, we are anxious to get to the administration witnesses, not to get to them to attack the administration because I think everyone has made their case. I think we are all trying to do the same thing. We all want to do the same thing. It has been outlined by the gentleman from Puerto Rico and the gentleman from American Samoa how difficult it is going to be, but it can be done.
Mr. DE LUGO. I don't believe in lost causes. I believe in winning. I believe in getting it done. But we are going to have to work together to get it done and it is going to take the Guamanian leaders working with Congress and with the administration as well.
When we move this out of our committee, we have to have a package that we can defend when it goes to the other committees. You want control over immigration? That means it has to go to the Judiciary Committee. You want more power regarding headnote 3(a) or taxes. That means it has to go to the powerful Ways and Means Committee.
We have to protect your legislation and you have to help us protect it when we go before Chairman Rostenkowski and the members of that committee. And we need the help of the administration most of all.
Let me say this, I have read the testimony that is going to be given here today, this afternoon, by the assistant secretary. She doesn't rubber stamp the administration—the administration does not rubber stamp the commonwealth package. I have heard administrations, all kinds of administrations, make presentations and many, many times, too many times, it's been totally negative. But the statement that will be made by Assistant Secretary Stella Guerra this afternoon is not totally negative. It points out areas that the administration has problems with. That does not mean Congress agrees with them, but these are areas that for one reason or another, the administration and that task force has problems with.
But they did not take a totally negative position that we oppose this, nothing can be done, and so on. In my reading of the testimony that will be received this afternoon, they take a position of trying to accommodate. I do not get the feeling that their feet are set in concrete. This is the important thing.
So it will be important that the Guam leaders continue to work with the administration. We will work with the administration, too. So that all of us together for our country—the United States of America-can bring about a tremendous achievement because it will be a tremendous achievement for our country.
Our country has never really faced up to how it deals with the off-shore areas. That is what we are trying to do here today. It is not only good for the Chamorros people and the people of Guam; it is good for the United States of America. That is what this hearing is about.
Thank you very much. Now, if you would bear with the tyranny of the Chair, I will have to keep you within the five minute rule because we are falling behind and we have a lot to do.
We have many more witnesses to hear and we will have to break for lunch and then we have to hear from the administration and there are many questions we want to ask of the administration and have time for exchanges.
Let us call the next panel. I would like to ask everyone to stay within the five minutes and when the red light comes on, just complete your thought. If not, I will cut you off.
Our next panel is Mr. Fredrick Quinene, Ms. Candy Rios, Mr. Ben Pangelinan, Democratic Party of Guam; Mr. Eduardo Calvo, Guam Chamber of Commerce, and Mr. Arthur Barcinas.
PANEL CONSISTING OF FREDRICK QUINENE, CANDY RIOS, BEN
PANGELINAN, EDUARDO CALVO, GUAM CHAMBER OF COM-
Good morning, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee. We thank you for this opportunity.
On behalf of the Chairman of the Democratic Party of Guam, my family, both immediate and extended family, I appear today to express our very strong support for passage of H.R. 98.
Without objection, permit me to offer two poems I have authored. First, "The Quest for a Commonwealth. What is the real relationship Of Guam to the U.S. of A.? No Matter what is really said Guam is still a colony today. Guam has remained all these years Nothing but the spoils of war, Her seeking greater self rule is Not unlike reaching for a star. Is our quest for a commonwealth To be met by a torpedo? Will Guam be forever treated Not like family but more of a foe? Years ago Congress had Declared When Guam is ready she will nod, And Guam will be self-governed Or was that only a facade? Was that intention Uncle Sam Only promises ephemeral, For granting Guam self government Are only intends far from real? Will your promises become true Or are they just anomalies? Will Guam always be subservient And their quests be only follies? To this day Congress still refers To Guam as her possession, Isn't it unconstitutional to own People no matter what the reason? Please be generous to this land Grant her people true dignity. Cease your role of master to slave In terms of no uncertainty. The status of commonwealth will Replace an act that's out-dated. For truly the Organic Act Is now naught but antiquated. The draft act being sent to you Will surely be Guam's guide and tool, Though not perfect we ask of you The concepts you wouldn't over-rule. Shouldn't you now Uncle Sam Prove to the world again, For justice you'll allow all Their true desire to attain?
The next poem, ladies and gentlemen, is titled “What Am I," written in 1986. I think it is appropriate today. My great and dearest Uncle Sam, This poem is addressed to you; For I do not know what I am. I want to know,
I really do.
In closing, Mr. Chairman, there were comments that you, the members, made that I feel I would like to have loved to respond, but I will take the last ones.